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The world's new tastemaker: China

Steven Butler, OZY 8:03 a.m. EST February 21, 2015
For years, pastries in China have been stuffed with red bean paste. But every weekend, when Hong Tang Ran stops by BreadTalk, a big pastry chain in Beijing, the 34-year-old ends up buying chocolate sweets instead. As for bean paste? He doesn't think his 6-year-old has ever tried it. "I don't think she would like it," he says.
The times they are a-changin' — and so are the tastes of Chinese consumers. The days of U.S. baby boomers as the post-World War II royalty of global consumption are fading, and a new group of shoppers is rising. Even the slice of China's so-called "generation two" consumers who are in their teens or early 20s and have comfortable amounts of money to spend — a demographic of 200 million — are expected to outnumber American baby boomers three times over by 2022, according to the consulting firm McKinsey.

Already, Chinese consumers have become the biggest group of car buyers in the world, including the No. 1 market, by volume, for all-American brand General Motors. And they've purchased more computers than consumers from any other country — for nearly the past four years. Now, it seems, they're dominating practically every industry.
China has quickly become one of the main consumers of cocoa, for which sales have grown 6 percent annually in recent years. As for those pastries? The country goes through about 4 million tons each year — roughly two and a half times the amount eaten in the U.S., and more than any other nation. Its consumers are also big fans of flavored milk drinks. You guessed it: China has become the world's top market in this area as well.
Given China's enormous population — around 1.35 billion people versus a measly 324 million in the U.S. — it was, perhaps, only a matter of time before these shifts happened. And yet the trend is only just starting to take hold, creating ever bigger potential opportunities for global companies as Chinese consumers, who are mainly located in cities, spend more and more money. But inevitably, experts say, there's going to be a boomerang effect, in which trends in China lead companies there to leverage their growing prowess and spread far beyond their homeland's borders.
Many of these changes are being driven by China's accelerated economic output, which stood at a mere $864 per capita at the turn of the millennium. By 2013, it was nearly eight times as large, at $6,800. Meanwhile, Chinese household spending has been growing by about 8 percent annually. David Dollar, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a think tank, says growth could continue at that pace — roughly doubling in nine years — even as other drivers of the economy, exports and investment, slow down.
While the Chinese market is huge, it's not always easy for foreign companies to get in. High income inequality, which limits the average person's purchasing power and squeezes company profit margins, is just one inhibiting factor. Regional diversity, which makes China seem like it encompasses many markets rather than one, and tough local competition from both legit businesses and street vendors selling counterfeit goods are also issues, says An Hodgson, a retail analyst at market research firm Euromonitor International.
But some companies have found success there. Luxury German car sales are higher in China than anywhere else in the world, for instance. "Brands are very important to Chinese people," says Shi Dan, a sales rep at a Mercedes dealership in Beijing's Chaoyang District. Meanwhile, electric-vehicle sales are forecast to overtake the U.S. within the next two years, according to Neil King, Euromonitor International's automotive analyst, and that's expected to create an opportunity for Chinese carmakers to develop new models for the cheaper end of the market — and eventually export those.
Similarly, Chinese TV makers, like TCL and Hisense, have begun to leverage huge domestic sales to push into foreign markets, although they are struggling for brand recognition in a crowded field. At home, China is the world's biggest market for shipments of ultrahigh-definition 4K television sets. While South Korea's Samsung still has the biggest sales volume even in China, it wasn't that long ago when the company overtook Japanese giants Sony and Panasonic in this industry. Today, Hisense is closing in on Sony as the world's No. 3 TV maker. And while it has a ways to go before it catches either Samsung or LG, given the size of the company's home-turf market and its likely growth ahead, time may be on its side.
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Heck even traditional Chinese Moon Cakes eaten during the Autumn Festival is not popular with the younger generation. Moon Cakes now comes with a variety of flavors and fillings. My mom like the traditional one. As for me, its okay, not a big fan of it.
 

janjak desalin

Junior Member
Heck even traditional Chinese Moon Cakes eaten during the Autumn Festival is not popular with the younger generation. Moon Cakes now comes with a variety of flavors and fillings. My mom like the traditional one. As for me, its okay, not a big fan of it.

Here, in New Orleans, Epiphany King's Cakes also now come with a variety of flavors and fillings. The traditional ones, which I prefer, had only a light glaze with sugar sprinkled on top. China isn't the only place where tastes are being driven by supply as opposed to demand. Or, as some call it, manufactured demand.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Time is on China's side. The US is trying to buy time to maintain its hegemony.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) takes time to thrash out as each individual country tries to negotiate for benefits. The TPP benefits the US in the form of moving some of their industries to the other TPP members with cheap labor and giving more market access to its copyrighted products like pharmaceuticals. The implication is that drugs become more expensive, but more employment and factories for the other members.

But China itself is a huge market and it is also forming trade partnerships.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The new spin in the media is Russia is now wary of China because of the recent statement by Abe about inviting Putin to Japan and how you saw Germany and France in talks with Russia. And someone else can read it as the world is losing confidence with the US. The US wasn't a part of those talks on Ukraine and Obama has been trying to isolate Russia.

I was watching GPS 360 on CNN this morning and there was some guy who wrote a book on how the shale revolution in the US will cause resource wars around the world. Why? Because since it's being predicted the US will be energy independent soon, the US will feel no need to "police" the world so everyone will have to fend for themselves to which the US had given the world before order. That's a bunch of nonsense because fortress America mean less world influence. The author mentions everyone else including US allies will be hit. The US is going to abandon its allies to which then they'll be independent from the US for to then have no influence? And you know why they don't see that? It's because of the mentality that the US can go it alone absolutely. The world is already thinking twice about buying US and turning domestically. Who's going to buy US then? If made in America is so high quality and last long, that just means their high tech companies go bankrupt from no sales if they can go it alone. Just look at the whining in the media on how come China doesn't get militarily involved in one after the other Middle East situations since China is supposedly more dependent on oil from their than the US. And you still see the US involved... If the US can go it alone why do they want TPP or any other trade agreement? It's because the US needs it economically and/or politically which mean the US can't go it alone.

If China is so vulnerable in all things, why don't they all disengage and isolate China right now. It's not going to hurt them.
 
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SamuraiBlue

Captain
The US finance is dependent on the dollar being utilized as an international transaction currency, so the US will maintain "World Police" for now. Having said that the US wants more involvement by other ally nations like Japan and Australia to share some of that responsibilities since the US does not require to import energy from abroad and preparing for the coming challenges of the 21st century.
The biggest being the transition of carbon economy to hydrogen economy. There will be little advantage of owning energy related natural resources since hydrogen can be generated anywhere that has a water supply. Within the next 20~30 years, half of all automobiles will be fuel cell powered. This will be a great blow to the US economy with diminishing international oil transaction topped off by reduction in oil prices due to diminishing demand. Within the next 5 years we will probably see nations starting a fire sale of oil (if we haven't seen it already) as Hydrogen pump stations starts popping up around you.
At that point the US will probably hang up their badge as "World Police" since the cost would out weigh the benefit.
 

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According the USGS' cement statistics, China has used more concrete from 2011 to 2013 (6.6 gigatons) than the United States in the entire 20th century (4.5 gigatons). It blows my mind but, then again, as Gates point out, look at Shanghai's evolution...

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and now imagine this happening in every city in China, from Beijing to Zhengzhou.

Another cool infographic is this stat on aluminum use in the United States. It shows how much aluminum the country uses to make cans and how developments in manufacturing have helped decrease the energy and environmental impact as production increased from 1980 to 2010.

and now imagine this happening in every city in China, from Beijing to Zhengzhou.
 

shen

Senior Member
The US finance is dependent on the dollar being utilized as an international transaction currency, so the US will maintain "World Police" for now. Having said that the US wants more involvement by other ally nations like Japan and Australia to share some of that responsibilities since the US does not require to import energy from abroad and preparing for the coming challenges of the 21st century.
The biggest being the transition of carbon economy to hydrogen economy. There will be little advantage of owning energy related natural resources since hydrogen can be generated anywhere that has a water supply. Within the next 20~30 years, half of all automobiles will be fuel cell powered. This will be a great blow to the US economy with diminishing international oil transaction topped off by reduction in oil prices due to diminishing demand. Within the next 5 years we will probably see nations starting a fire sale of oil (if we haven't seen it already) as Hydrogen pump stations starts popping up around you.
At that point the US will probably hang up their badge as "World Police" since the cost would out weigh the benefit.

Practically, hydrogen is a method of energy storage not energy source. To get hydrogen from water requires an energy source, which could be nuclear, solar, wind, hydroelectric, geothermal or burn some oil and coal.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Practically, hydrogen is a method of energy storage not energy source. To get hydrogen from water requires an energy source, which could be nuclear, solar, wind, hydroelectric, geothermal or burn some oil and coal.

That what you call an Energy source.
Would you consider buying oil and/or coal if you can obtain hydrogen by sticking in electrodes into the sea and hooking it up to a wind mill generator or a solar panel?
It doesn't have to generate hydrogen 24/7 as long as you can generate enough to store to answer demand.
 
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