Chinese Economics Thread

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Lieutenant General
3D printing is supposed to let manufacturers produce stuff more efficiently.

Heres a couple of articles on the subject that are well worth reading.

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3D printing still got ways to go in the technology. Also it still requires minerals and materials to be broken down in order to process it into a functional 3D object. Imagine a 3D printer the size of a shopping mall that can produce air craft carriers and ships in near perfect fitting and be ready to sea trials in one year.;)
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
3D printing still got ways to go in the technology. Also it still requires minerals and materials to be broken down in order to process it into a functional 3D object.

Yes, but the interesting part of it is the claim that it would reduce the need to off shore for production runs, and that would contribute to keeping jobs at home.

Imagine a 3D printer the size of a shopping mall that can produce air craft carriers and ships in near perfect fitting and be ready to sea trials in one year. ;)

Star war type spaceships would be better.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Yes, but the interesting part of it is the claim that it would reduce the need to off shore for production runs, and that would contribute to keeping jobs at home.



Star war type spaceships would be better.

True, but it still requires a whole lot of electricity to keep it running. I've seen one works before during my college years and when students were making 3D models of their design buildings. It's cool how it works, but those things take so long to get one model done. After that you still have to assemble and glue the pieces together. The question will be how and what energy sources will be used to manufacture it in economic scale?
 

escobar

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Obstacles could derail proposal for trilateral trade agreement

The time is ripe for establishing a Free Trade Area among China, Japan and South Korea but various uncertainties have delayed talks about that possibility from starting,
officials and experts said on Tuesday.

Zheng Xinli, vice-chairman of the China Center for International Economic Exchanges, said Japan's interest in becoming a member of the Trans-Pacific Partnership - a free trade agreement that now involves Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Chile, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam and the United States - raises questions about the likelihood of the proposed trilateral agreement being formed. So does the existence of a separate free trade agreement between South Korea and the US, Zheng said.

Meanwhile, South Korea will soon be preoccupied by its 2012 presidential election and Japan is still repairing the damage caused by the earthquake that struck it in March last year. For those reasons, "it's uncertain whether free trade agreement talks can start among the three countries this year", Zheng said at a forum in Beijing.

Zheng said the goal of establishing the proposed agreement is not a far-fetched one. But if progress toward that end is delayed, the countries can still agree to charge no duties on imports of products made by the new-energy and low-carbon industries and take similar steps.

During the East Asian Summit held in November 2011, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao discussed a schedule that would have free trade talks start among China, Japan and South Korea this year, a proposal that met with approval from Japan and South Korea.

In March, Chen Deming, Chinese minister of commerce, said the negotiations may start as early as May, when officials from the three countries are to meet in Beijing.

Ahn Hyun-ho, executive vice-chairman of the Korean International Trade Association, said research has been conducted and completed on the proposed agreement and officials will be briefed on the results of that work at the May summit.

The economies of the 10 countries that make up the Association of Southeast Asian Nations plus China, Japan and South Korea are expected to surpass the US' in 2014 and the EU's in 2020. Even so, the region's economic integration is expected to proceed at a slower pace as the countries are hampered by unbalanced development and a lack of a central organization, Ahn said.

China, Japan and South Korea together contribute 70 percent of Asia's economic output and one-fifth of the world's. For that reason, "the integration of Asian economies will be meaningless without the integration of those three markets", Zheng said.

Even so, the trade that now takes place among the three countries only accounts for 11 percent of their total foreign trade, while investment exchanges among themselves only account for 6 percent of their total such exchanges.

"Cooperation within the region is being hindered by many political and economic reasons, but a big obstacle is an unwillingness to accept each other because of historic troubles," said Zhang Xiaoji, a researcher at the State Council's Development Research Center.

"An ideal solution would lie in a comprehensive cooperation framework, but that would not be an easy thing (to establish)," said Fukukawa Shinji, president of the Japan-China Organization for Business, Academia & Government Partnership.

Huo Jianguo, president of the Ministry of Commerce's Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, said the three countries share at least one characteristic: They are highly dependent on energy imports.

Meanwhile, the shipping industry would also be likely to benefit from a free trade agreement. Chen Wenling, chief economist at the China Center for International Economic Exchanges, said Northeast Asian harbors, without the advantage of operating under such an agreement, tend to be inefficient, even though they handle the largest amounts of cargo in the world.
 

delft

Brigadier
But there is also the interesting observation:
I agree that there is an attempt to hype this manufacturing "pivot back to the USA", but the handful of stories I read about mention new wages much lower than when these companies originally moved out.
I remember reading about a hover manufacturing plant in Ohio that was closed five years before. The hourly wage was twenty dollars. It reopened last year (?) paying $8 per hour ( it said so in the news item: perhaps the main decrease was in health costs? ).
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
I remember reading about a hover manufacturing plant in Ohio that was closed five years before. The hourly wage was twenty dollars. It reopened last year (?) paying $8 per hour ( it said so in the news item: perhaps the main decrease was in health costs? ).

It also depends on the cost for running the manufacturer, union (especially big in the Mid-West of the US), and timing of the market.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The Trans Pacific Partnership is all about not letting China write the rules to any free trade agreement. The US was highly upset that any talk of an East Asian free trade zone didn't include the US. Wikileaks exposed Austailian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and the US were colluding which is why every time Rudd spoke publicly about a free trade zone he demanded the US must be included and help form its rules. Vietnam is worse and nowhere near to living up to the rules that have been promoted about this elite club. So if they let Vietnam in at this stage, China will be about the last country they'll allow in because it is about China. China is the centerpiece on why any of these countries in the region think about it. Really, if these free trade agreements were so great, they could've gone at it without China 20 years ago and yet they haven't thought about it until now. So it's basically about the US writing the rules and all these smaller countries dependent on the big players for their economies giving their two cents before so they can let in and exploit China. As one Western financial analyst put it, China is a market as large as a continent. China should concentrate on developing it's domestic market. Without China, all these free trade dependents will be sucking on the US alone. And we all know how Americans detest free trade because if the US is the biggest player in the bunch, it's about riding off their backs. That's the way you make all the plotting backfire.
 
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J-XX

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The Trans Pacific Partnership is all about not letting China write the rules to any free trade agreement. The US was highly upset that any talk of an East Asian free trade zone didn't include the US. Wikileaks exposed Austailian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and the US were colluding which is why every time Rudd spoke publicly about a free trade zone he demanded the US must be included and help form its rules. Vietnam is worse and nowhere near to living up to the rules that have been promoted about this elite club. So if they let Vietnam in at this stage, China will be about the last country they'll allow in because it is about China. China is the centerpiece on why any of these countries in the region think about it. Really, if these free trade agreements were so great, they could've gone at it without China 20 years ago and yet they haven't thought about it until now. So it's basically about the US writing the rules and all these smaller countries dependent on the big players for their economies giving their two cents before so they can let in and exploit China. As one Western financial analyst put it, China is a market as large as a continent. China should concentrate on developing it's domestic market. Without China, all these free trade dependents will be sucking on the US alone. And we all know how Americans detest free trade because if the US is the biggest player in the bunch, it's about riding off their backs. That's the way you make all the plotting backfire.

america fears the rise of china.
china is already extremely influencial in the global economy even though china is still a developing country.
just imagine if china is this powerful as a developing country now, imagine the power and influence china will possess when china becomes a fully developed country in the next few decades.

chinese consumer markets, chinese financial system, chinese currency, chinese manufacturing, chinese technologies, etc.
all these things are going to get bigger, more influencial and advanced as the years go by.

america has never faced a power of the scale of china ever before, yeah they had competition from the soviets and japan, but none of them have the sheer size of china. in the end, size does matter. compare a fully developed country like switzerland with 4 million people to a poor developing country like china of 1.3 billion people and compare their respective power and influence in the global economy.
china is way ahead of switzerland in power and influence.

america fears china, they can give all the lip service they want saying they welcome china's rise, but america as a fully developed superpower is struggling to beat a developing country. that speaks volumes.

TPP is a way to contain china as best as america can, and so are many other economic policies done by the US to keep china at bay.

it wont work, china is too big and too powerful to be stopped now.
america will just have to suck it up and learn to live with it.
 

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The state of China’s banks is a divisive topic – are they on the brink of collapse or part of a stable, state-controlled system? The country's financial institutions are reporting high profits and deposits, but with unquantified levels of bad debt, concerns over asset quality and overexposure to a weakening property market, questions are being asked about the long-term health of the sector.

China’s banks are growing rapidly, climbing up the global rankings, and could one day be the world leaders in the banking industry. Or they are institutions riddled with bad debt, propped up by the state, that could one day collapse in the Chinese equivalent of the subprime crisis. Views on China’s banking sector can lie anywhere on the spectrum between these two extremes, but whatever the view of China’s banks, their problems cannot be ignored because of the sheer size of these institutions .

Among the areas of concern are the rise of shadow banking and off-balance-sheet activity, the level of non-performing loans (NPLs), and overexposure to local government debt and the property sector. While many agree on the problems, the degree to which they pose systemic risk and their potential to cause a banking crisis is hotly debated. Opinions vary on the true state of China’s banks and what lies inside them. They can be viewed as healthy and profitable with ample reserves, or they can be seen as part of a system where the level of risk and bad debt has been hidden.
 

J-XX

Banned Idiot
if i got a dollar everytime a westerner predicted the chinese banking system is on the verge of collapse, i would be the richest man on earth.

china's banking system was far worse in the 1980s and it is with this banking system that got china to be one of the most powerful economies on this planet.

western doomers on china are getting desperate, they see china rising while europe is is recession, and america not much better than europe.
 
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