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FairAndUnbiased

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LMAO what a load of shit.

700k people at 240k?

It probably counts some shitty or strange average or family/household income, since it's for the full population (1.4 billion), but well there's many millions of children and elderly not working lmao.
this is absolute bullshit data. there's no easy way to put it. it is 100% false and/or misleading, which is extremely easy to demonstrate.

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(85 million 10-14, 86 million 5-9, 81 million 0-4).

Children 0-4 have income of 0. There is no economic way to make them work.

Children 5-14 are in school. Are they all in school? Yes.
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. This implies that 90% of children ages 0-4 have a non-zero income and 100% of children ages 5-14 have a non-zero income despite being all enrolled in school or being literal babies.
 

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this is absolute bullshit data. there's no easy way to put it. it is 100% false, which is extremely easy to demonstrate.

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(85 million 10-14, 86 million 5-9, 81 million 0-4).

Children 0-4 have income of 0. There is no economic way to make them work.

Children 5-14 are in school. Are they all in school? Yes.
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. This implies that 90% of children ages 0-4 have a non-zero income.
Maybe they've factored in 压岁钱
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Maybe they've factored in 压岁钱
still not enough. only 200 million with yearly salary 0-6000.

Unless 50 million children get at least 7k in 压岁钱, it doesn't make sense. But that means that on average, 100 million parents have the disposable income to give 7k to their kids.

There is no way to reconcile that data with China's population pyramid, and here I'm assuming 100% labor participation rate too... there's adults with 0 income like housewives, after all. Though not many housewives still around, there's still what, 10% women that don't work?
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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lol, why can't you read the article? It says that the data is from Chinese NBS compiled by Beijing normal university, it was a survey in about 70000 households.

The data is the disposable income per capita, which means that if the average household is about 3 persons and 1 or 2 persons work then the net income is divided by all in the household. That's why it is income for 1.4B people. The disposable income per capita is the main indicator which Chinese NBS started to use a few years ago.

Of course, the data is undercounted to some degree, with a Chinese gray area, but it looks like Chinese Premier Li Keqiang believes the data to a level he was mentioning about it at an important conference, so you tell me you don't believe Chinese NBS?
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And some people write some sour grapes that I complain about income inequality, where did I complain? Some people wanted the source, so I gave them. And this chart doesn't show the income inequality, it's the other way, it undercounts the high incomers, if the data was more real, it would give the picture of quite normal distribution of income.
Especially that the survey showed that a lot of Chinese households holds big assets.


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There are still some 600 million people whose monthly income is barely 1,000 yuan ($141) in China, Chinese Premier Li Keqiang
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last month at a press conference following the annual session of the country’s top legislature.

Li’s remarks sparked heated discussion, with many doubting whether China really has so many people living on such low incomes.

The premier’s words are true. After analyzing a random sample of 70,000 families collected by the National Bureau of Statistics, our team at the China Institute for Income Distribution at Beijing Normal University found that nearly 42.9% of the people in the sample had a household monthly income per person of no more than 1,090 yuan in 2019.
If that statistic holds true nationwide, it would account for more than 599.9 million people.

Although China’s rapid economic growth in recent decades has propelled many people into high-income brackets, we mustn’t ignore the fact that the majority of the population fall into the low- or middle-income groups.

Many of them are still living on or near the bread line. They mostly remain out of sight and have few channels to make their voices heard. In that sense, they are society’s silent majority.

The income we talk about here is disposable income, not average salaries. Disposable income is the money left over after paying income tax, social insurance premiums and other essential fees. It reflects real individual and household livelihoods, and so is globally seen as one of the most important figures to judge a country’s development.

Who are the 600 million people Li spoke of? The survey showed that 75.6% of them live in rural areas, while 36.2% and 34.8% live in less-developed central or western China, respectively. They generally receive an average of about nine years of schooling — enough to finish middle school, but not to progress beyond that.

Low-income families support more elderly relatives and children than higher-income families. Nearly 39% of the 600 million are either older than 60 or younger than 16, a higher proportion than the equivalent for higher-income groups.

Some foreign politicians have claimed that China is no longer a developing country and should be treated as a developed nation. Their words confound some people’s minds in China, who make a misjudgement that China has become a high-income country or will become one soon.

China had an annual disposable income per capita of 30,733 yuan last year. Americans, meanwhile, earned more than 10 times that figure.

That gap shows that China is still a typical developing country dominated by a low-income population. The pattern of income distribution in China is still far away from the classic olive shape, which has a large middle class and a short gap between rich and poor.

We have to remain clear-headed about how much Chinese people really earn and where China stands globally. Our status as the world’s largest developing country will not change for now.

Wan Haiyuan is a deputy dean of the China Institute for Income Distribution at Beijing Normal University. Meng Fanqiang is a postdoctoral researcher at the same institute.
 
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lol, why can't you read the article? It says that the data is from Chinese NBS compiled by Beijing normal university, it was a survey in about 70000 households.

The data is the disposable income per capita, which means that if the average household is about 3 persons and 1 or 2 persons work then the net income is divided by all in the household. That's why it is income for 1.4B people. The disposable income per capita is the main indicator which Chinese NBS started to use a few years ago.

Of course, the data is undercounted to some degree, with a Chinese gray area, but it looks like Chinese Premier Li Keqiang believes the data to a level he was mentioning about it at an important conference, so you tell me you don't believe Chinese NBS?
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And some people write some sour grapes that I complain about income inequality, where did I complain? Some people wanted the source, so I gave them. And this chart doesn't show the income inequality, it's the other way, it undercounts the high incomers, if the data was more real, it would give the picture of quite normal distribution of income.
Especially that the survey showed that a lot of Chinese households holds big assets.


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I suppoet your opinion. The governments are a group of capable people who know their country best and the present situation, they are wise and cautious.
 

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Okay it seems like USA is trying to get Europe and other Western countries to ban the importation of Chinese electric vehicles over 'forced labor' claims. And stall the development of Chinese EV industry
@Crang Yup since most of the exports are Chinese made Tesla anyway and comrade Musk is preparing to downside the US plant to refute their claims.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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Oh dear China is going to collapse for the 4389th time.

Cheaper homes -> millennials can own homes -> more spending power elsewhere

Homes are for living not for speculation and certainly not for greedy capitalists to hoard and become batshit crazy landlords.

Down with landlords, redistribute the land!

Landlords should be fed to the pigs
 

56860

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Oh dear China is going to collapse for the 4389th time.

Cheaper homes -> millennials can own homes -> more spending power elsewhere

Homes are for living not for speculation and certainly not for greedy capitalists to hoard and become batshit crazy landlords.

Down with landlords, redistribute the land!

Landlords should be fed to the pigs
You know the drill

House prices increase > young couples can't afford a house > no place to make babies > demographic collapse

House prices decrease > real estate collapse > economic collapse
 
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