Chinese Economics Thread

I agree that Chinese companies should start raising price for the following reasons.

1. Improve standard of living the Chinese workers
2. Hedging against USD devaluation.
3. Demand for Chinese goods and services are at an all time high
4. Supply are tight for Chinese goods and services
5. Encourage companies to move up the value chain.
6. Higher Chinese prices usually equates as higher Chinese quality
7. Lessen burden on Government subsidies
8. Improve corporate finances to fund research and development
9. etc.
 

ansy1968

Brigadier
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Many means many as China has transferred many of the state owned companies shares to social security funds to fund retirement and healthcare in China. Those state owned companies market values have been increasing and contributing more and more for social security funds.

China debt GDP ratio is much lower than the US and many other advanced countries.

Samsung and many Japanese companies have already moved many of their factories to SEA and SA but the Chinese exports are still increasing. So your concern is irrelevant.
@KYli bro privatization especially of public utilities stiffen innovation, become less competitive and destroy the quality of life. During 1990's it had been the mantra of IMF and WB, selling these public utilities for a song to private company with a promise of efficient services and lowered rates, well look what happen the opposite occurred instead of good service frequent disruption become a norm and was being used as blackmail for rates increase. those company had become rent seekers pocketing profits instead of investing and the necessary maintenance of their equipment and assets. That is the reason why the Chinese economy especially its industry is so competitive and strong vis-a-vis other country economy. Its industrial input is cheap. State control of strategic public assets that were providing efficient and affordable services is another form of state subsidies, its better and had a broader tangible result instead of providing specific financial outlay.

And for the West privatization of public sector utilities is a way of controlling resources, most of those who participate are mostly western financial institution, doubling their dollar for every investment they make especially in the developing world. the Debt Trap accusation of China is a Misnomer those words perfectly describe their action and their policy, it should be apply to them.
 

horse

Major
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@KYli bro privatization especially of public utilities stiffen innovation, become less competitive and destroy the quality of life. During 1990's it had been the mantra of IMF and WB, selling these public utilities for a song to private company with a promise of efficient services and lowered rates, well look what happen the opposite occurred instead of good service frequent disruption become a norm and was being used as blackmail for rates increase. those company had become rent seekers pocketing profits instead of investing and the necessary maintenance of their equipment and assets. That is the reason why the Chinese economy especially its industry is so competitive and strong vis-a-vis other country economy. Its industrial input is cheap. State control of strategic public assets that were providing efficient and affordable services is another form of state subsidies, its better and had a broader tangible result instead of providing specific financial outlay.

And for the West privatization of public sector utilities is a way of controlling resources, most of those who participate are mostly western financial institution, doubling their dollar for every investment they make especially in the developing world. the Debt Trap accusation of China is a Misnomer those words perfectly describe their action and their policy, it should be apply to them.
Privatization should be mandatory for mostly everything in the economy, except for those items that require state support or dependent on state support, for one reason or another.

Otherwise, everything else should be privatized.

Now the list of industries that should have state support, is kind of long.
  • mining
  • eduction
  • petroluem
  • telecommunications
  • utilites
  • transportation rail airlines
  • infrastructure
  • health care
  • banking
  • defense armnaments
Man, I already got to 10 and I am a rightist, lol.

In most countries in the world, these industries on the list, are all associated with the state, whether the state owns the land with the mine or giving out the rights, to extract resources or the radio waves licenses, etc.

Of that list, I think what is truly unique for China is the banking. The four big banks are state owned and among the biggest banks in the world. They were run well I guess.

There are grey areas, whether there should be a state role.

Steel production is from the SOE is kind of controversial. There could be overproduction, but that steel is needed in the large infrastructure projects, and the government needs that supply.

That's China I feel. Does not matter if one supports privatization or not, once we get to China, it gets complicated quickly.

Who knows!

:p
 

Tyler

Captain
Registered Member
I agree that Chinese companies should start raising price for the following reasons.

1. Improve standard of living the Chinese workers
2. Hedging against USD devaluation.
3. Demand for Chinese goods and services are at an all time high
4. Supply are tight for Chinese goods and services
5. Encourage companies to move up the value chain.
6. Higher Chinese prices usually equates as higher Chinese quality
7. Lessen burden on Government subsidies
8. Improve corporate finances to fund research and development
9. etc.
Just jack up the RMB against the $US. This is like raising prices.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
Wow India is a true superpower in this sense...

I love this. Whenever I'm teaching international trade. I use this for impact. Because I would imagine 95% of my students, are like the Joe public at large would be like our friend here. That is to swallow the line that the evil Chinese never played fair. And therefore are the biggest "manipulator" of foreign trade. After all, we keep hearing it all the time from the western MSM. Currency manipulator, subsidies, forced transfer of tech. We have all heard all these crap.

But us in the "know" know different. I remember when I was studying economics at university. I, too was this young naive student. I remember saying in class to my tutor about Japanese unfair "advantage", much like China is being accused of today. My tutor laugh and told me to read up on U.S. trade policy and then come back and tell the class about it. That was one humiliating lesson I've learned. Lol
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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Moderator - World Affairs
Giving more subsidies to the SOE´s is another example of the chinese government not moving towards more of a market-driven, less state-intervention, economy. They need to become more efficient and productive. Otherwise, they will indefinitly stay an export-dependent economy, that is, until they become too expensive to export. Then what?
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horse

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Say what? What do you call this?

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Bombardier is such a strange a Canadian story, with a stupid ending, which makes it so Canadian. Just to go off topic one second.


China state owned company wanted to buy Bombardier rail division in 2015 for $7 billion.
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That offer was rejected.

Years later the same rail division was sold to Alstom for $6 billion.
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When the deal was finally completed, the price was $3.6 billion.
globalnews.ca/news/7634076/bombardier-layoffs-canada-2021/

Of course there were more layoffs for Bombardier and more asking for money from the government, all during this process. LOL!

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Eventually, Bombardier will probably get more money from the government, because that gets them votes.

That is why democracy will not work in China. Everyone will call that a bride. In Canada, not sure what they call it?

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