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Bellum_Romanum

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When I was in college there were "The Young Republicans". If you listen to what they believe in, they think just like communists. They believe in one-party rule where Republicans should be running everything and everything has to get the okay of Republicans.
Pretty much this^^ I used to debate with Repubs back when I was dabbling with Liberalism the shitty kind. The animus these hard core Republicans have against the commie democrats were beyond surprising to say the least. I had to confront one of these people with the fact that if they think all democrats are traitors and their ideas ruinous for their country, then why bother having another party at all? They couldn't come up with a sensible and logical answer....
 

Equation

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Pretty much this^^ I used to debate with Repubs back when I was dabbling with Liberalism the shitty kind. The animus these hard core Republicans have against the commie democrats were beyond surprising to say the least. I had to confront one of these people with the fact that if they think all democrats are traitors and their ideas ruinous for their country, then why bother having another party at all? They couldn't come up with a sensible and logical answer....

It's ALL about white supremacy under their "Lord and salvation Jesus Christ". It really is. That's why a rising China is a threat to their power and beliefs.
 

voyager1

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Wow this is big.
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China recorded a service trade deficit of 43.28 billion yuan (about $6.61 billion) in the first two months of this year. It was down by 77.2 percent from the same period a year ago, data from the Ministry of Commerce showed on Thursday.
The lower deficit was the result of significant service export growth, which increased by 21.9 percent, year-on-year, in the reporting period. Meanwhile, service imports dropped by 18.6 percent from a year ago.
Gao highlighted the strong growth in China's trade of knowledge-intensive services. It increased by 17.2 percent year-on-year in the period, accounting for 45.4 percent of the total trade in services.
Very good decoupling. Now lets move on reducing imports of hi-tech products
 

2handedswordsman

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When I was in college there were "The Young Republicans". If you listen to what they believe in, they think just like communists. They believe in one-party rule where Republicans should be running everything and everything has to get the okay of Republicans.
Yes, but they are against public ownership. they are pro-corporatists, the governance style of Mussolini and Hitler
 

weig2000

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As said, the CAI is what China threw at EU, in the hope that it at least stays neutral in the competition between the US and China. Now that EU has taken a stand that is more aligned with the US - and they're threatening to scuttle the deal - Beijing is like: whatever.

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Political toughness trumps economic gains as Beijing hits back at Europeans with its own targeted sanctions

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April 9, 2021

Political feuds between China and Europe are ripping up economic and trade ties and threaten to scupper a comprehensive investment accord that has been seven years in the making.

Yet there appears to be far less worry in Beijing about the fate of the landmark deal than in some European countries and conglomerates that may be bigger beneficiaries.

Beijing’s sanctions against European lawmakers and other political outfits over their words and deeds regarding Xinjiang suggests political toughness now trumps economic gains.

China made its move in March, fully aware of the blowback from the European Parliament which was about to scrutinize and ratify the deal.

The tit-for-tat goes on when the five parliament members targeted by Beijing, together with the three dominant political coalitions, have predictably vowed to sink the well-meant deal designed to level the playing field for more access to the Chinese market.

Dr Yen Huashao, a European studies specialist with Shanghai Fudan University’s International Relations Institute, told Asia Times that Beijing’s message was clear that a big business deal could go but China would no longer stay stoical amid the political row simply for the sake of economic ties, especially when Europe could likely reap more benefit from the investment pact.

During a pre-arranged phone call on Wednesday, Chinese President Xi Jinping urged German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Europe at large to make “right, independent judgments” on geopolitics and uphold “strategic autonomy” for the continent to protect ties with China from distraction.

Other than quoting Xi’s pointed remarks that all alluded to America’s sway, Xinhua also revealed that the call was proposed and set up by the German side.

Merkel told Xi that the European Union had always been and would remain independent with its approach to China, but she then pivoted to discuss economic and trade flows as well as the prospect of more opportunities arising from China’s 14th Five-year Plan, vowing Berlin’s active role to step up cooperation, according to Xinhua and the People’s Daily. Merkel also said she looked forward to the golden jubilee celebrations next year to mark the 50 years of diplomatic exchanges.

Last month, Merkel also told reporters following the conclusion of an EU leaders virtual summit that despite China having a competing version of social and political systems and values, the EU should still find ways to dovetail values with interests to work out its own holistic China policies.

“It seems Germany is more distraught over the stalled approval of the high-stakes investment accord, when Xi mainly touched upon political issues in the call while Merkel talked more about trade and cooperation,” said the Fudan University scholar.

For five years running, China has been Germany’s largest trading partner with 2020’s volume hitting €212.1 billion (US$252 billion).

The expert also said leading German firms already amassing huge fortunes in China had every stake in the success and speedy implementation of the accord, since China made “huge concessions” and even agreed to yield more than it had originally planned during its marathon talks with Europe.

“It seems Germany is more distraught over the stalled approval of the high-stakes investment accord, when Xi mainly touched upon political issues in the call while Merkel talked more about trade and cooperation,” said the Fudan University scholar.

For five years running, China has been Germany’s largest trading partner with 2020’s volume hitting €212.1 billion (US$252 billion).

The expert also said leading German firms already amassing huge fortunes in China had every stake in the success and speedy implementation of the accord, since China made “huge concessions” and even agreed to yield more than it had originally planned during its marathon talks with Europe.

Fearing their profitability would take a big hit, state-owned Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp (SAIC) and First Auto Works (FAW) in Changchun in Jilin province, both VW’s major production partners and technology transfer recipients, reputedly lobbied against provisos allowing European firms to go solo in China. Now, with the prospect of the accord being passed by European lawmakers dimming, SAIC and FAW find a longer buffer period to grow their indigenous brands.

State-owned enterprises and private firms with vested interests in other key sectors covered by Beijing’s sweeping pledge of more access and fair competition are also heaving a sigh of relief. Many of them once complained that hastened opening up would be unfair and land them in an existential crisis but their preoccupation around the drastic changes was once brushed aside by Beijing, who was keen to wrap up the seven years of talks with Europe at the end of last year.

“Back then perhaps Beijing hoped the deal, with significant concessions from China over major irritants during talks like market access, could win the EU over to its side before the new Biden administration moves to reset ties with allies in Europe.

“But politics is still a thorn between China and the EU, when, despite these concessions on offer, the bloc chose to side with the United States to close ranks against China over Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Since the deal is never welcomed at home and European companies may benefit more, Beijing won’t mind too much if it is put on ice when China-EU relations have already become so frayed,” said the Fudan University scholar.
 

voyager1

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Merkel told Xi that the European Union had always been and would remain independent with its approach to China, but she then pivoted to discuss economic and trade flows as well as the prospect of more opportunities arising from China’s 14th Five-year Plan, vowing Berlin’s active role to step up cooperation, according to Xinhua and the People’s Daily. Merkel also said she looked forward to the golden jubilee celebrations next year to mark the 50 years of diplomatic exchanges.
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“But politics is still a thorn between China and the EU, when, despite these concessions on offer, the bloc chose to side with the United States to close ranks against China over Xinjiang, Hong Kong and Taiwan. Since the deal is never welcomed at home and European companies may benefit more, Beijing won’t mind too much if it is put on ice when China-EU relations have already become so frayed,” said the Fudan University scholar.
This scholar's analysis is excellent. Chinese domestic companies dont want the deal because they would face competition and thus the deal was geared to giving more advantages to the EU. So China is now saying, the deal was we give you benefits and you stay neutral.

Now that the EU wants the deal and also to sanction China for "human rights" and "genocide", China is saying yeah whatever, the deal cannot pass and thats ok with us, either way we were on the losing side from the deal

However, I said it before, Merkel knows her stuff and she will manage to pass the deal through the EU Parliament. It is impossible to me, for the Parliament to decline to pass the CAI with so many profits to made in China if the deal would pass
 
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