Chinese Economics Thread

KYli

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Even if China didn't make any additional stimulus, the growth rate should be north of 7%. I think the central government wanted to tame expectation and give provinces more room to focus on quality and long term growth.
 

horse

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No the Soviet system collapsed because they went after political reforms in the 1980s over economic reforms.

The lesson China learned is to focus on the economy first, and let political reform happen gradually, naturally.
What I remember from watching some documentary, they interviewed old Russian big shots.

They said that when Gorbachev, started the perestroika and glasnost, which meant restructuring and openness, it did not work as intended, the results were unexpected.

What happened was the Soviet bureaucratic system was too entrenched, and no one was willing to give up any perks or their turf. Essentially the system was fighting back and resisted all efforts at reform. Then the system came after Gorbachev, and then it went sideways, and the rest is history.

Maybe they were just too rigid and were incapable of any reforms, economic or political.
 

horse

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Any chance they're declaring a low growth target so the West won't be alarmed and put more pressure on them? They realize publicly announcing China 2025 was a big mistake after all.
We never hear of any news regarding the 5G build out in China anymore.

Shenzhen had a standalone 5G network, and Beijing announced they had built one too a month later. Since, a total news blackout.
 

ansy1968

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What I remember from watching some documentary, they interviewed old Russian big shots.

They said that when Gorbachev, started the perestroika and glasnost, which meant restructuring and openness, it did not work as intended, the results were unexpected.

What happened was the Soviet bureaucratic system was too entrenched, and no one was willing to give up any perks or their turf. Essentially the system was fighting back and resisted all efforts at reform. Then the system came after Gorbachev, and then it went sideways, and the rest is history.

Maybe they were just too rigid and were incapable of any reforms, economic or political.
@horse bro Russia need a Deng Xiao Ping instead they had Gorbachev, ;) if Putin is in charge at that time the outcome maybe different.
 

gadgetcool5

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China has some bubbles, but it should not be worried about core CPI inflation. Core consumer price inflation was negative at the start of the year. The target is around 3% growth.

But it's a reason not to park money in the U.S. Here's another reason:
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US just stole $1 billion from Myanmar. Not only will it monetize your assets via inflation, it has no qualms about outright stealing "your" money.
 

2handedswordsman

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@horse bro Russia need a Deng Xiao Ping instead they had Gorbachev, ;) if Putin is in charge at that time the outcome maybe different.
Not exactly, USSR was a developed country with huge industrial base. They needed a Stalin to purge these corrupted mofos who later became the oligarchs of modern Russia
 
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