Chinese Economics Thread

Gatekeeper

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So desperate.
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The usual hubris like this
Alicia García-Herrero, chief economist for the Asia-Pacific at French investment bank Natixis, agreed China could continue to lag behind the U.S. economy.

"This is possible since average real GDP growth in China could well hover around 2.5 percent in 2035 and onwards, which will mean that China would stop converging with the U.S. and maybe even diverging," she told Newsweek.

"The fall of the labor force is one reason but also decelerating productivity," she added.


But between now and 2035 if the Chinese economy grew by average of 6% then it is more than enough to catch up

This is a classic on how to spin a positive into a negatives. All over the western world, one of their biggest economic policy is to provides 'full' employment as they are worry that the devil will find works for idol hands (ie to start a revolution for freedom and liverty).

So here's China according to them will have labour shortage, meaning achieving the very thing their themselves desire 'full employment and therefore, no idol hands, leading to stability.

Yes in an economic sense growth will slow down because China has reached its production possibility frontiers PPF). But we already know that, which is why China's growth rate reduced from the neck breaking pace of 10% to around half at 5%. Even taking this lower figure into the calculation, China is on course to overtake U.S. in the next decades. So really this analysis must be predicting with a lower growth rate similar to the US growth rate. Which that's the case, then China will never catch U.S.

The other thing they must be assuming is that China wouldn't gain from using technology and innovation to increase efficiency to make up for the Labour shortage.

In short, these analysis, in their attempt to paint China in the most negative ways possible are using assumptions that are at the most extreme ends of the spectrum. Gee and they get pay big money for that. I'm in the wrong profession. The money always goes to the likes of China bashers like Gordon Chang and it's cohorts.
 

ansy1968

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This is a classic on how to spin a positive into a negatives. All over the western world, one of their biggest economic policy is to provides 'full' employment as they are worry that the devil will find works for idol hands (ie to start a revolution for freedom and liverty).

So here's China according to them will have labour shortage, meaning achieving the very thing their themselves desire 'full employment and therefore, no idol hands, leading to stability.

Yes in an economic sense growth will slow down because China has reached its production possibility frontiers PPF). But we already know that, which is why China's growth rate reduced from the neck breaking pace of 10% to around half at 5%. Even taking this lower figure into the calculation, China is on course to overtake U.S. in the next decades. So really this analysis must be predicting with a lower growth rate similar to the US growth rate. Which that's the case, then China will never catch U.S.

The other thing they must be assuming is that China wouldn't gain from using technology and innovation to increase efficiency to make up for the Labour shortage.

In short, these analysis, in their attempt to paint China in the most negative ways possible are using assumptions that are at the most extreme ends of the spectrum. Gee and they get pay big money for that. I'm in the wrong profession. The money always goes to the likes of China bashers like Gordon Chang and it's cohorts.
@Gatekeeper the Chinese solution is simple:

1) Automation

2) Raise the retirement age to 70

3) immigration
 

Gatekeeper

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@Gatekeeper the Chinese solution is simple:

1) Automation

2) Raise the retirement age to 70

3) immigration

Yes, these could be the solution. If...... We buy their narratives assumptions that China has reached its production possibility frontairs (PPF). But given China's GDP per capita is still way behind the West' s. This suggest that China still have slot of growing room left.

By all means solution 1 you suggested is always preferable no matter what stage a country is at the development stage. If not, you will end up with an economy like India's.

Solution 2, is way to early yet.

Solution 3, it's desirable to have skilled labours others have trained. Just look at Britain's health service, it's full of doctors and nurses from other countries. Without it, Britain's health service will come to a grinding halt. So a selective immigration policy is a must.

Having said that, There are still plenty of efficiency gains available to China even before the measures you prescribe are needed.

We really need to take that report with a large dose of salt. You know where they are coming from when they try to sell 'full' employment as a bad thing. They are basically no different to the Gordon Chang of thus world. Still trying to sell the coming collapse of China. Selling fear over hope and opportunity to stop people from investing and buying into China, thus fulfilling their prophesy.
 

OppositeDay

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GDP doesn't matter nearly as much as technology as the Chinese government now understands

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GDP is a matter of money. Money matters only insomuch as it buys you things that you want. China cannot buy what it wants (technology) with money. Therefore the size of GDP is much less meaningful. Even Chinese GDP is twice as the U.S., China would still be at a strategic disadvantage if the U.S. controls China's semiconductor supplies.

Also their claim China's productivity growth has slowed is also misleading, as productivity is usually measured in term of market value (added value per worker per hour, or something like that). Think about how much cheaper big screen TVs are compared to say five years ago. Why are they so much cheaper? Because Chinese companies are making more flat screen panels at a lower cost. Therefore, the drop in price is a result of increased productivity measured by product output (Chinese production lines are newer and more efficient than older ones in Taiwan), but the reduced price dampens the productivity increase measured by market value. This is true across industries: when China begins the production of a certain product, the price decreases. This is why the developed world fears China. So yes their prediction for Chinese GDP might be accurate but the predication of U.S. GDP is going to be off the mark if China continues to climb up the technology ladder.
 

localizer

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Apple should be ashamed as it is only able to increase market share in China due to the all out war on Huawei from the US.
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Sadly too many iSheeps in China. Apple should be shunned completely, not a single dollar should go to companies based out of US.
It’s almost as if they learned nothing from the wechat ban thing
 

PiSigma

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Sadly too many iSheeps in China. Apple should be shunned completely, not a single dollar should go to companies based out of US.
Done need to shun it, if shit hits the fan the Chinese government can just block the apple app store and servers just call it a national security risk. All Apple devices just becomes expensive paper weights.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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GDP by cities at PRD in Guangdong province.
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Kaeshmiri

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Done need to shun it, if shit hits the fan the Chinese government can just block the apple app store and servers just call it a national security risk. All Apple devices just becomes expensive paper weights.
No that shouldnt happen. China has attracted recorded Foreign Investment because it offers the best business environment in the world. The Global business community prefers Countries with stable policies that don't behave erratically. US stifling investment and sabotaging foreign firms is the reason they're an unreliable place to invest nowadays.

Let the movement against Apple be organic and led by consumers.
 
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