Chinese Economics Thread


free_6ix9ine

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A property tax would be a solution.

So empty properties start costing money, and the owners will have to start renting them out.

It also weans local government from land auction income, where the incentive is higher land prices.
And provides a stable income stream from property owners, who will hold the local government a lot more accountable for spending.
Yes that's a start. But there needs to be a stronger state intervention in the real estate market. Its really not a supply issue, there is actually an over supply of housing. It's a distribution issue. The state needs to strategically deflate the real estate asset bubbles and channel that investment into high tech via consumption or investment thru the stock market.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Problem is you can't just copy Singapore housing development model. If it could be done, China would have done it years ago.
Singapore is just a city state with a small where the large portion of permanent population or citizens can enjoy subsidized housing. If do that , say in Shenzhen, there will be 1 billion application for subsidized housing !
No no that is not true China can emulate Singapore if they want But the city father does not want to do it why?

See it has a lot to do with how China transfer tax proceed to the central government The way it is now is most of the provinces sent large proportion of their tax to the central government Ideally the central government should return back the money to the provinces But in China THEY DID NOT! or only small amount Now at the same time the central government tell the provinces to provide for the welfare system of the population like building health care, street, school system, inner city transportation .

Now the provinces is deep trouble where are they going to get the money for all of this ? There is no property tax! Until recently they cannot even sell bond now they do. Now where can they get the money to fund all this health care and social welfare? The answer is selling land to the private property!
So the population has to buy apartment from the property developer at huge marked up cost!

That is not the case with Singapore because all the land belong to the government When you buy a house in Singapore you don't buy a land. You only but the building that sit on government owned land. They lease it to you! for 99 years.
Also you buy the apartment not from developer but from government owned property developer called HDB. That sell the house at small profit to the people.So the cost of owning a home is lower compare to buying from property developer. There is private developer that owned their own land But it will cost you a fortune

Now where the government got the money from ? It is form "forced saving" when you worked in Singapore the gov forced you to save something like 12% of your salary(not sure now) then the employer and government match your contribution the same 12% So for every dollar you save 25 cents Taxis flat! and Not progressive
But you cannot use those money except to buy a house, Child education, fund your retirement, or pay for medical cost!. As there is no pension in Singapore You are responsible for your own pension THIS IS BAD SYSTEM THAT WHY YOU SEE OLD MEN AND WOMEN STILL WORK IN SPORE!

But the advantage is high percentage of home ownership! coupled with Chinese obsession of invest in brick! House pricing keep rising up BUT IT IS A BAD DEAL YOU DON'T ACTUALLY BUY A HOUSE YOU ONLY LEASE!
 

hullopilllw

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No no that is not true China can emulate Singapore if they want But the city father does not want to do it why?

See it has a lot to do with how China transfer tax proceed to the central government The way it is now is most of the provinces sent large proportion of their tax to the central government Ideally the central government should return back the money to the provinces But in China THEY DID NOT! or only small amount Now at the same time the central government tell the provinces to provide for the welfare system of the population like building health care, street, school system, inner city transportation .

Now the provinces is deep trouble where are they going to get the money for all of this ? There is no property tax! Until recently they cannot even sell bond now they do. Now where can they get the money to fund all this health care and social welfare? The answer is selling land to the private property!
So the population has to buy apartment from the property developer at huge marked up cost!

That is not the case with Singapore because all the land belong to the government When you buy a house in Singapore you don't buy a land. You only but the building that sit on government owned land. They lease it to you! for 99 years.
Also you buy the apartment not from developer but from government owned property developer called HDB. That sell the house at small profit to the people.So the cost of owning a home is lower compare to buying from property developer. There is private developer that owned their own land But it will cost you a fortune

Now where the government got the money from ? It is form "forced saving" when you worked in Singapore the gov forced you to save something like 12% of your salary(not sure now) then the employer and government match your contribution the same 12% So for every dollar you save 25 cents Taxis flat! and Not progressive
But you cannot use those money except to buy a house, Child education, fund your retirement, or pay for medical cost!. As there is no pension in Singapore You are responsible for your own pension THIS IS BAD SYSTEM THAT WHY YOU SEE OLD MEN AND WOMEN STILL WORK IN SPORE!

But the advantage is high percentage of home ownership! coupled with Chinese obsession of invest in brick! House pricing keep rising up BUT IT IS A BAD DEAL YOU DON'T ACTUALLY BUY A HOUSE YOU ONLY LEASE!
The land is a very limited resource in Singapore. The government's affordable public housing scheme provides for what like 90% of the citizens, where else in the world do you get such a high figure. Should PAP let it works like a free market, they will be stuck in a disaster like HK now.
Also, one gets to withdraw the CPF partially past the pension age. It basically provides a safety net to prevent citizens from falling into poverty in their old age, provided they have decent jobs to build up their CPF account.
 

Hendrik_2000

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The land is a very limited resource in Singapore. The government's affordable public housing scheme provides for what like 90% of the citizens, where else in the world do you get such a high figure. Should PAP let it works like a free market, they will be stuck in a disaster like HK now.
Also, one gets to withdraw the CPF partially past the pension age. It basically provides a safety net to prevent citizens from falling into poverty in their old age, provided they have decent jobs to build up their CPF account.
But it is unfair system basically the government double down on its population forcing them to loan to the government at low interest! for the like of GLIC like temasek to misuse and mismanagement and yet forced the population to buy back their home with no land ownership. The buyer should be able to inherited those home to their heir. But overall it meet its goal of providing the majority with home ownership BTW do you know the idea is the brain Child of mr Lim Kim San a Padang(Indo) peranakan who concocted this idea China copy some feature of it(CPF) sans HDB
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That is why many old peranakan family left Singapore for greener pasture.
 

siegecrossbow

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1. Just my opinion, but all the news about TikTok going to sell its US operations, that was all fake news. That was never going to happen.

2. This Oracle news could be interesting. What that really is, that is a joint venture, just like the ones they do in China.
Haha what happened to “either sell it or ban it”?

Like I said before a lot of people in this forum freak out over every little threat leaked by Trump. The man is like seventy percent bluster and often uses high pressure negotiation tactics to bluff his way to success.
 

horse

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Haha what happened to “either sell it or ban it”?

Like I said before a lot of people in this forum freak out over every little threat leaked by Trump. The man is like seventy percent bluster and often uses high pressure negotiation tactics to bluff his way to success.
Well, you know, it was never realistic to begin with. Suppose you want to buy a new car. That would involve a couple of visits to the dealership. To buy a house, offers counter offers, then lawyers, then closing, which takes weeks or months. To buy or sell a small business, long discussions of value is needed for both sides to be happy about it. Here we have a supposed deal far bigger than any of that, to be completed in full in a matter of weeks. That just will not happen in the real world.

Then the Liberal media would try to bait TikTok or anyone else, to say something. No one said anything because there was nothing to say. There was nothing to say because there was no deal.

Trump maybe wanted to look tough, but it is hard to say if that was the case. If he bans TicTok in America, all that is going to look like for a lot of people in America is censorship.

If the numbers are accurate, that there are 100 million monthly users and 50 million active users in America, those are very big numbers, making TikTok extremely valuable. Also, that is how many unhappy people there will be when TikTok is banned in the United States.

This joint venture after the fact, with Oracle only, seems like TikTok's idea, and it is a decent idea.

First, it preserves TikTok's US operations if taking on Oracle as a junior partner. Second, it will prevent any further attempts elsewhere to use the same excuses to curtain TikTok's global ambitions. The latter probably more important that the former.

For TikTok, at the moment they probably the number #1 growing social media platform with more potential than anyone else. That momentum you want to keep going.

As for China, TikTok is just one Chinese company. There will be more Huawei and TikTok coming out of China in the coming years presumably. Heck, Huawei restrictions would allow other companies like Xioamei, Oppp, etc. to increase their footprint and market share.

If you were the Communist Party of China, all you see is fear coming from the Americans.

You can sense weakness.

Does not matter what the stupid Liberal media says.

:D
 

supersnoop

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This TikTok deal is still opaque.
Sounds like basically just putting the data on Oracle's servers.
Probably the worst case of public corruption since AIG.
 

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