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Just4Fun

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Why not divide by 21 or the average of 21, 14?

In wiki, it listed six ways of doing it.

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As with relative change, the relative difference is undefined if f(x, y) is zero.

Several common choices for the function f(x, y) would be:

  • max(|x|, |y|),
  • max(x, y),
  • min(|x|, |y|),
  • min (x, y),
  • (x + y)/2, and
  • (|x| + |y|)/2

If (x + y)/2 is used. ==> 40%

If max(|x|, |y|) is used. ==> 33%


Can't you just show your brain can function normally?

The US produced and consumed about 4 trillions watts electricity in 2018, while China produced and consumed nearly 8 trillions watts electricity for the same period.

You can't claim you have world's largest economy without having world's largest electricity production and consumption, just as you can't claim you're NBA's most valuable center while you stand only 5 feet tall, or weigh only 50 kg. This is just common sense, not rocket science. .
 
now I read
Beijing casts doubt on state of trade talks after Donald Trump says it wanted a deal
  • Foreign ministry ‘not aware’ of weekend phone calls in which US president said China asked to ‘get back to the table’
  • The two sides are in contact only at a technical level, state media editor says
Updated: 5:40pm, 27 Aug, 2019
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Beijing has cast doubt on whether trade talks are set to resume, with its foreign ministry contradicting US President Donald Trump’s claim that China had sought a return to the negotiating table and state media saying the countries were in touch only at a “technical level”.

Markets jumped when Trump
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that China called “our top people” – the US Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin – on Sunday evening to “get back to the table” to negotiate to resolve the two countries’ year-long
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The countries had been due to speak on Tuesday, according to a previous statement from China’s Ministry of Commerce after their last telephone call on August 13.

But there has since been no sign of progress on that front and the Chinese foreign ministry again said on Tuesday that it was not aware of the phone calls over the weekend.

“I have not heard of that,” foreign ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said when asked about the call.

“China and the US should resolve their trade disputes through dialogue. We have had 12 rounds of high-level consultations, and working teams from the two sides are keeping in touch.

“Regretfully the US has announced its decision to add new tariffs on Chinese products. Such maximum pressure will hurt both sides and is not constructive at all.”

Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of the state-run tabloid Global Times, also wrote on Twitter that the two sides had maintained contact at a “technical level”, which “doesn’t have [the] significance that President Trump suggested”.

A commentary published on Tuesday by Communist Party mouthpiece People’s Daily advised the United States not to underestimate China’s determination to fight back.

“China will do what it has said,” the commentary said, referring to Beijing’s tariff measures. “Any attempts to force China to make concessions through extreme pressure will be in vain.”

Question marks over the state of the trade talks – whether negotiations were to resume at a high level, and whether China was eager for a deal or Trump had sought to ease markets – remained after the countries exchanged new tariff threats last week, dampening hopes for a trade agreement in the short term.

Confusion over the state of China-US relations deepened when Trump last week called Chinese President Xi Jinping an enemy, then on Monday praised him as a great leader.

“Sorry, it’s the way I negotiate,” Trump said at the Group of Seven meeting in Biarritz, France.

Last week, China said it would levy retaliatory tariffs of 5 to 10 per cent on US$75 billion worth of US goods. The Trump administration responded by announcing a tariff increase from 25 to 30 per cent on US$250 billion of Chinese goods, and from 10 to 15 per cent on US$300 billion worth of Chinese products.

Chinese Vice-Premier Liu He, Beijing’s top trade negotiator,
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at a Chinese technology conference that an escalation of the trade war was not in anyone’s interests.
“We are willing to resolve the issue through consultations and cooperation with a calm attitude and resolutely oppose the escalation of the trade war,” he said.

Trump, known for his use of hyperbole, cited Liu’s remarks as evidence that China wanted a trade deal. When speaking to reporters, Trump also appeared to misidentify Liu’s seniority, describing him as the No 2 politician in China under Xi.

Although he is vice-premier and Xi’s top economic aide, Liu does not sit on the Politburo Standing Committee, the elite seven-member decision-making body, and ranks lower than Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and Vice-President Wang Qishan.

“The vice-chairman of China – do you get any higher than that, other than President Xi?” Trump asked. “The vice-chairman made the statement that he wants to make a deal, that he wants to see a call made, mister, he wants it all to happen.”

There is no position of vice-chairman in the Chinese political system.

According to the Chinese Ministry of Commerce, the last high-level phone calls between Chinese and US trade negotiators took place on August 13 between Liu, Lighthizer and Mnuchin.

During the G7 summit in France, Trump also suggested that he may have had second thoughts about escalating the trade war. White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham later said that his remarks were
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, and that he regretted not raising tariffs on China even higher.
 

Just4Fun

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now I read
Beijing casts doubt on state of trade talks after Donald Trump says it wanted a deal
  • Foreign ministry ‘not aware’ of weekend phone calls in which US president said China asked to ‘get back to the table’
  • The two sides are in contact only at a technical level, state media editor says
Updated: 5:40pm, 27 Aug, 2019
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I believe Beijing has concluded that Trump is a person without any credibility. Therefore, it is meaningless to cut a deal with him.

I further believe Beijing has also concluded that future US administrations after Trump are not trustworthy too. Therefore, Beijing will not be as enthusiastic as before to pursue a trade deal with the US.

What Beijing may do, I guess, is to passively answer the US calls on trade issue with no expectation, while in the mean time to actively pursue China's own development and Belt and Road development. That is, China is taking Mao's Protracted War stance, using Belt and Road to encircle the US. Time is on China's side. With each day passing, China is stronger and closer to victory.
 
now I read this
Editorial by SCMP Editorial

China and US need to keep talking as threat of global recession looms
  • Mixed signals from Donald Trump only add to trade war confusion and increase economic uncertainty both in America and the rest of the world
The annual Group of Seven meeting, which ended on Monday, offered US President Donald Trump a chance to build some kind of united front behind his trade dispute with China, ahead of his disclosure that after yet another round of punitive tit-for-tat tariff increases, Beijing and Washington had been in touch about further talks.

However, amid nervousness among America’s allies that the trade war may tip the global economy into recession, Trump sent mixed signals that only created fresh uncertainty. In the course of a day, he retreated from a threat to order US firms out of China, said he was having “second thoughts” about a new round of tariffs on Chinese goods – interpreted as a softening – and then backflipped again, saying second thoughts meant he regretted not having raised tariffs any higher. It was typical Trump negotiating style, which still owes more to real estate salesmanship than statesmanship.

He capped it all by praising Xi Jinping as a “great leader”, as he confirmed that Beijing had contacted Washington for further talks, only days after labelling the Chinese president an enemy. At the same time he welcomed a call for “calm negotiations” to solve the dispute from China’s top trade negotiator, Vice-Premier Liu He.

Despite his rhetorical gymnastics, Trump did not go unchallenged at the G7, with new British Prime Minister Boris Johnson saying, provocatively, his country had profited massively from free trade and favoured trade peace. This resonates with criticism by Trump’s political opponents at home, who say failure to work more closely with allies to change China’s course has done nothing to strengthen America’s hand in the trade war.

In the latest tariff increases, Beijing raised levies on US$75 billion worth of US goods in response to planned levies on an additional US$300 billion worth of Chinese imports. Then Washington said it would raise duties from the current 25 per cent to 30 per cent on US$250 billion worth of Chinese goods on October 1, and from the previously planned 10 per cent to 15 per cent on the remaining imports of US$300 billion on September 1.

Criticism from American consumer trade organisations is growing, as Trump’s tariffs disrupt business planning, destroy farm export markets and roil stock markets. Needing a victory to bolster support, Trump announced that the United States and Japan had “agreed in principle” on a deal to avoid a trade dispute that would prise open Japan’s protected agricultural markets.

But it will take more than bilateral deals to undo the damage to free trade and global economic confidence wreaked by the US-China conflict, particularly with Beijing having pledged to fight to the end. So long as the two sides keep talking, however, there is hope of avoiding the potential disaster of a global recession.
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Just4Fun

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Nominal GDP is only used by US mass media (and ironically Chinese state media) so completely irrelevant. Economists and financial analyst always use real GDP for a reason... After all there is reason why PPP is also known as real GDP and nominal isn't...

China uses nominal GDP for many convenient reasons. One of the most important considerations is the same as it insists it be a third world country, a developing country even though it is now ranked as world's best in many areas.
 

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China’s 2019 gdp is 14 T vs US 21.5 T
In 2023 it will be around 19.5 vs 24.5

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US has a consumption economy dependent on import prices, you gotta be a fool like the ones in the article to believe that US living standards can stay the same without cheap imports.
 
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Quickie

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Can't you just show your brain can function normally?

The US produced and consumed about 4 trillions watts electricity in 2018, while China produced and consumed nearly 8 trillions watts electricity for the same period.

You can't claim you have world's largest economy without having world's largest electricity production and consumption, just as you can't claim you're NBA's most valuable center while you stand only 5 feet tall, or weigh only 50 kg. This is just common sense, not rocket science. .

Why retort to me?
 
Looks like he misquoted or was directing the vitriol at the economist who claimed the 50% bigger nonsense.
However if you do decide to use nominal GDP, then 21T is in fact 50% more than 14T, as 14T + 0.5*14T = 21T. Generally that is the most common interpretation of what is meant by saying x is 50% greater than Y.
 
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