China's Westward One Belt One Road Strategy


j17wang

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@PhSt My thinking, its a gratitude donation, Ukraine had help the Chinese military a lot from marine engine, missile technology, radars, large airplanes ( Antonov involvement in the Y20 development) and maybe some of Motor Sich blueprints tech for engine. $3billion of lost investment is cheap compare to what China had gained.

Ukraine purchased these doses. Its a commercial transaction, not a donation. Its also helpful to expand sales in Europe, as it is seen as more credible than just Africa/ME/LATAM. Part of the long game and its worth it.
 

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Attack claimed by TTP (Pakistan Taliban). I smell Indian and American involvement in this. I suspect RAW and CIA collusion. Several Jai Hinds who came to this forum were proud of the fact that Indian RAW is supporting terrorist groups like TTP to terrorize Pakistan's Balochistan. To mess up the CPEC.

This is definitely coordinated by outside intelligence. Targeting Chinese diplomats in Pakistan is a new low. This is truly disgusting. Luckily those Chinese diplomats were elsewhere at the time of the explosion. If any of them is killed, it'll be terrible. I hope this wakes China up. China can do more to help Pakistan with its Counter Terrorism work in Balochistan. From intelligence sharing, to joint operations. Something more serious needs to be done.
 

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Attack claimed by TTP (Pakistan Taliban). I smell Indian and American involvement in this. I suspect RAW and CIA collusion. Several Jai Hinds who came to this forum were proud of the fact that Indian RAW is supporting terrorist groups like TTP to terrorize Pakistan's Balochistan. To mess up the CPEC.

This is definitely coordinated by outside intelligence. Targeting Chinese diplomats in Pakistan is a new low. This is truly disgusting. Luckily those Chinese diplomats were elsewhere at the time of the explosion. If any of them is killed, it'll be terrible. I hope this wakes China up. China can do more to help Pakistan with its Counter Terrorism work in Balochistan. From intelligence sharing, to joint operations. Something more serious needs to be done.

China is spineless...period...!
Being trashed and humiliated by India at least in the eyes of the world, despite much proclamation of being a 'supapowah' with 'fastest-growing' military blah blah blah. Being harassed by the U.S continually in the South China sea, just a few miles from its own shores.
Even the Philippines is now thinking to start construction in the SCS, since they feel that there is really nothing to fear from China, or that they have more to gain than lose. Australia just reneged on a Deal they previously made with China, can China even do anything other than criticize Australia?
No amount of hardware of new toys can match a person's/people's spirit.
I have stated this before and will state it again, China simply lacks the attitude or bravado to become a true military power.
China will be a regional power, along with India, Japan and South Korea, at best....!

It has done nothing with regards to Myanmar, and it will do nothing with regards to the Balochistan bombing, simply because China lacks the spine. Heck, Meng wanzhou is literally a 'captive' in Canada, and what has China done in the past couple of years? Spineless, does anyone need anymore proof? Pakistan better hedge their bet carefully by not putting all their eggs into the Chinese Basket.

I used to think China will be a Power to be reckoned with, both militarily and economically, and that it will also become a leader in the Asia Pacific and beyond, but it has shown very little qualities for leadership.
China doesn't stand for good, , neither does it make a stand on any issue at all, take a look at Myanmar. Not one Nation in Asia or beyond looks to China for leadership. A Nation that doesn't make a concrete stand on anything can never be a true leader or World Power.
 
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PiSigma

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China is spineless...period...!
Being trashed and humiliated by India at least in the eyes of the world, despite much proclamation of being a 'supapowah' with 'fastest-growing' military blah blah blah. Being harassed by the U.S continually in the South China sea, just a few miles from its own shores.
Even the Philippines is now thinking to start construction in the SCS, since they feel that there is really nothing to fear from China, or that they have more to gain than lose. Australia just reneged on a Deal they previously made with China, can China even do anything other than criticize Australia?
No amount of hardware of new toys can match a person's/people's spirit.
I have stated this before and will state it again, China simply lacks the attitude or bravado to become a true military power.
China will be a regional power, along with India, Japan and South Korea, at best....!

It has done nothing with regards to Myanmar, and it will do nothing with regards to the Balochistan bombing, simply because China lacks the spine. Heck, Meng wanzhou is literally a 'captive' in Canada, and what has China done in the past couple of years? Spineless, does anyone need anymore proof? Pakistan better hedge their bet carefully by not putting all their eggs into the Chinese Basket.

I used to think China will be a Power to be reckoned with, both militarily and economically, and that it will also become a leader in the Asia Pacific and beyond, but it has shown very little qualities for leadership.
China doesn't stand for good, , neither does it make a stand on any issue at all, take a look at Myanmar. Not one Nation in Asia or beyond looks to China for leadership. A Nation that doesn't make a concrete stand on anything can never be a true leader or World Power.
So what you are saying is a country can only be a superpower if they ignore international law, and bomb whoever looked at them funny? Got it, north Korea and US are true superpowers.

China really should learn from India in this regard, just wipe india off the map and immediately get respect from the rest of the world.
 
China is spineless...
You are foolish...
period...!
Ah, so this rant came from your menstruation.
Being trashed and humiliated by India at least in the eyes of the world,
You must live in a different world because here, we saw China use minimal force to defeat India and even then, Indians still suffered double digit casualties from their incompetence.
despite much proclamation of being a 'supapowah' with 'fastest-growing' military blah blah blah.
China never claims to be a superpower but it actually grows its military at the fastest speed in the world.
Being harassed by the U.S continually in the South China sea, just a few miles from its own shores.
You mean China building and expanding territory while the US sails in circles complaining?
Even the Philippines is now thinking to start construction in the SCS, since they feel that there is really nothing to fear from China, or that they have more to gain than lose.
Chinese territory expands in seas that are 1,000 miles from the mainland. The Philippines talks about construction.
Australia just reneged on a Deal they previously made with China, can China even do anything other than criticize Australia?
Impose tariffs, bans, economic retaliation causing Australia to squeal like a stuck pig. What do you want, military strike for canceling a deal? LOL
No amount of hardware of new toys can match a person's/people's spirit.
That's what North Korea says. China actually achieves its goals instead of trying to intimidate by "spirit."
I have stated this before and will state it again, China simply lacks the attitude or bravado to become a true military power.
You can state it an infinite number of times but it will not make it true. Countries with "bravado" are either dominant in the world, or have nothing to lose. China is neither; it is second creeping up on first and it has the most to lose.
China will be a regional power, along with India, Japan and South Korea, at best....!
Then the US wouldn't be scared of China.
It has done nothing with regards to Myanmar,
What's supposed to happen, invade a neighbor because they're having a civil war?
and it will do nothing with regards to the Balochistan bombing,
That's a failed terrorist attack in a friendly country. China can offer help investigating but there is nothing to do beyond that.
simply because China lacks the spine.
Simply, people who say that lack brain.
Heck, Meng wanzhou is literally a 'captive' in Canada, and what has China done in the past couple of years? Spineless, does anyone need anymore proof?
Brainless, such a stupid claim needs much more proof, as you've given none. The kidnapping of a citizen happens all the time to America by much smaller and weaker countries and the US doesn't do anything meaningful about it. That China has punished Canada economically and then taken 2 Canadians into Chinese custody is more than what even the US usually does. What do you want China to do?
Pakistan better hedge their bet carefully by not putting all their eggs into the Chinese Basket.
Pakistan doesn't take your advice, although in general, every country needs to diversify from overreliance on a foreign country.
I used to think China will be a Power to be reckoned with, both militarily and economically, and that it will also become a leader in the Asia Pacific and beyond, but it has shown very little qualities for leadership.
What you think has nothing to do with the course of the future. China's growth and development in all sectors is stand-alone evidence that it will become the leader.
China doesn't stand for good, , neither does it make a stand on any issue at all, take a look at Myanmar.
That's called minding your own business and focusing on yourself. The opposite is the US, which has drained itself getting into other people's businesses in the middle-east. Myanmar can solve their own problems; China owes nobody.
Not one Nation in Asia or beyond looks to China for leadership.
Actually, quite a few countries in Africa and the developing non-Caucasian world look up to China and when I speak to Vietnamese guys, they give me the thumbs up and say that China is the future. But whatever you need to do to vent on your period in your own world...
A Nation that doesn't make a concrete stand on anything can never be a true leader or World Power.
China's concrete stand is to make itself stronger and to defend its sovereignty over all of its territories.
 
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Mohsin77

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China is spineless...period...!
Being trashed and humiliated by India at least in the eyes of the world, despite much proclamation of being a 'supapowah' with 'fastest-growing' military blah blah blah. Being harassed by the U.S continually in the South China sea, just a few miles from its own shores.
Even the Philippines is now thinking to start construction in the SCS, since they feel that there is really nothing to fear from China, or that they have more to gain than lose. Australia just reneged on a Deal they previously made with China, can China even do anything other than criticize Australia?
No amount of hardware of new toys can match a person's/people's spirit.
I have stated this before and will state it again, China simply lacks the attitude or bravado to become a true military power.
China will be a regional power, along with India, Japan and South Korea, at best....!

It has done nothing with regards to Myanmar, and it will do nothing with regards to the Balochistan bombing, simply because China lacks the spine. Heck, Meng wanzhou is literally a 'captive' in Canada, and what has China done in the past couple of years? Spineless, does anyone need anymore proof? Pakistan better hedge their bet carefully by not putting all their eggs into the Chinese Basket.

I used to think China will be a Power to be reckoned with, both militarily and economically, and that it will also become a leader in the Asia Pacific and beyond, but it has shown very little qualities for leadership.
China doesn't stand for good, , neither does it make a stand on any issue at all, take a look at Myanmar. Not one Nation in Asia or beyond looks to China for leadership. A Nation that doesn't make a concrete stand on anything can never be a true leader or World Power.

So you post the Baluchistan attack article, and then go on an emotional rant about how China is "spineless," quite obviously in the hopes that Chinese members would turn against Pakistan. That was the plan right? And your attempt at telling Pakistan not to get too close to China, that was also very cute.

One of your own compatriots on another thread here already admitted (proudly) that the TTP in Pakistan is being funded and directed by India. This is something that both Chinese and Pakistani intelligence agencies are well aware of. Such attacks are an act of desperation. The question you need to ask yourself is, do you actually think such tactics will work? Because the tide that is building up around India is going to drown you. Good luck.
 

BoraTas

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You are foolish...

Ah, so this rant came from your menstruation.

You must live in a different world because here, we saw China use minimal force to defeat India and even then, Indians still suffered double digit casualties from their incompetence.

China never claims to be a superpower but it actually grows its military at the fastest speed in the world.

You mean China building and expanding territory while the US sails in circles complaining?

Chinese territory expands in seas that are 1,000 miles from the mainland. The Philippines talks about construction.

Impose tariffs, bans, economic retaliation causing Australia to squeal like a stuck pig. What do you want, military strike for canceling a deal? LOL

That's what North Korea says. China actually achieves its goals instead of trying to intimidate by "spirit."

You can state it an infinite number of times but it will not make it true. Countries with "bravado" are either dominant in the world, or have nothing to lose. China is neither; it is second creeping up on first and it has the most to lose.

Then the US wouldn't be scared of China.

What's supposed to happen, invade a neighbor because they're having a civil war?

That's a failed terrorist attack in a friendly country. China can offer help investigating but there is nothing to do beyond that.

Simply, people who say that lack brain.

Brainless, such a stupid claim needs much more proof, as you've given none. The kidnapping of a citizen happens all the time to America by much smaller and weaker countries and the US doesn't do anything meaningful about it. That China has punished Canada economically and then taken 2 Canadians into Chinese custody is more than what even the US usually does. What do you want China to do?

Pakistan doesn't take your advice, although in general, every country needs to diversify from overreliance on a foreign country.

What you think has nothing to do with the course of the future. China's growth and development in all sectors is stand-alone evidence that it will become the leader.

That's called minding your own business and focusing on yourself. The opposite is the US, which has drained itself getting into other people's businesses in the middle-east. Myanmar can solve their own problems; China owes nobody.

Actually, quite a few countries in Africa and the developing non-Caucasian world look up to China and when I speak to Vietnamese guys, they give me the thumbs up and say that China is the future. But whatever you need to do to vent on your period in your own world...

China's concrete stand is to make itself stronger and to defend its sovereignty over all of its territories.
Good answer. There is a good chunk of people in this forum who support militarism, aggressive politics, isolationism and reactionary politics. I don't know what they want to see. China could interfere with foreign countries' internal affairs, inject military force everywhere in the first opportunity and intervene in civil wars militarily, infiltrate with intelligence apparatus and NGOs, support terrorists and coups, increase its defense budget to 4% and build a massive nuclear arsenal. Basically the USA and the former Soviet Union behavior. And I am sure China would be more effective than the Soviet Union as it has much more resources and has no problems with citizen loyalty. The question is what would China gain from all of this? Nothing.
 

Sardaukar20

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Registered Member
You are foolish...

Ah, so this rant came from your menstruation.

You must live in a different world because here, we saw China use minimal force to defeat India and even then, Indians still suffered double digit casualties from their incompetence.

China never claims to be a superpower but it actually grows its military at the fastest speed in the world.

You mean China building and expanding territory while the US sails in circles complaining?

Chinese territory expands in seas that are 1,000 miles from the mainland. The Philippines talks about construction.

Impose tariffs, bans, economic retaliation causing Australia to squeal like a stuck pig. What do you want, military strike for canceling a deal? LOL

That's what North Korea says. China actually achieves its goals instead of trying to intimidate by "spirit."

You can state it an infinite number of times but it will not make it true. Countries with "bravado" are either dominant in the world, or have nothing to lose. China is neither; it is second creeping up on first and it has the most to lose.

Then the US wouldn't be scared of China.

What's supposed to happen, invade a neighbor because they're having a civil war?

That's a failed terrorist attack in a friendly country. China can offer help investigating but there is nothing to do beyond that.

Simply, people who say that lack brain.

Brainless, such a stupid claim needs much more proof, as you've given none. The kidnapping of a citizen happens all the time to America by much smaller and weaker countries and the US doesn't do anything meaningful about it. That China has punished Canada economically and then taken 2 Canadians into Chinese custody is more than what even the US usually does. What do you want China to do?

Pakistan doesn't take your advice, although in general, every country needs to diversify from overreliance on a foreign country.

What you think has nothing to do with the course of the future. China's growth and development in all sectors is stand-alone evidence that it will become the leader.

That's called minding your own business and focusing on yourself. The opposite is the US, which has drained itself getting into other people's businesses in the middle-east. Myanmar can solve their own problems; China owes nobody.

Actually, quite a few countries in Africa and the developing non-Caucasian world look up to China and when I speak to Vietnamese guys, they give me the thumbs up and say that China is the future. But whatever you need to do to vent on your period in your own world...

China's concrete stand is to make itself stronger and to defend its sovereignty over all of its territories.
Excellent answer. Its pretty much the same answers I would give.

We have seen a bunch of fools who rant that China is stupid, spineless, or even evil for not behaving like the USA!

China's foreign policy is focused on building mutual trust and respect. It has a policy of no interference in other countries' internal affairs. It is not a perfect foreign policy. It does leave China very limited in dealing with wicked foreign actors. But it is exactly this foreign policy that wins China so much support from the global South. China gives hope that there is a future for countries who have been trampled, exploited, bullied, and ignored by the richer imperialist nations throughout history. People who are stuck in the American Hollywood interventionist, world savior, big power, superhero BS mentality can never comprehend this.

There are people who think that USA and Soviet Union (also Russia) is badass because they are good at going around smacking some countries and badguys. China does not do that. It's just not in China's DNA to do that. But these folks mistaken this as Chinese weakness.

This is largely thanks to the Hollywood interpretation of a badass protagonist. They like cocky, loud, aggressive, and sometimes moraly ambiguous badasses. Such as guys like Ironman, Kratos, any Arnold Character, John Wick, Liam Neeson in the Taken films, etc.

In Chinese culture, and East Asian culture in general, they have a different type of badass protagonist. That protagonist is more than capable of trashing the bad guys, but is also incredibly restraint. This restraint is the true strength. Examples are characters like Ip Man, Zatoichi, Wong Fei Hung, etc. It is this cultural characteristic that is part of the core of Chinese foreign policy. Sun Tzu's philosophy of preferring to win a war without a battle is also another part of that core.

This is not a weakness. Despite all the challenges with restraint. China has been proven to be right most of the time. Because there is no need to go around fighting battles around the world. China is able to build a military force second only to the USA with a military budget that is only a fraction in size. Other non-US counties who have poked at China recently, have been heavily punished without actual war. For example, Malaysia's standing in ASEAN is free-falling thanks in no small part to its idiotic Sinophobic actions. Most famous of all is BJP India, and all the epic fail it is going through. Australia's epic fail is coming. There is nothing to indicate that Australia is gonna come out of the spat with China richer, stronger, and more influential than before. Same with Canada and the UK. They are all foolish mistresses of Uncle Sam. They are all manipulated, used, and will be discarded when they have outlived their usefulness.

Could China do more to protect its assets and Chinese lives in the BRI? Absolutely. China would prefer to empower countries like Pakistan to deal with the threat. But it may not be enough. In the case of CPEC, I think that with the proper paperwork, Pakistan can invite China to assist. China can do the heavy lifting in the intelligence field, logistics, training, and giving financial assistance. Then Pakistan can concentrate on the business end of the anti-terrorism work. The military operations, the airstrikes, and the arrest or execution of terrorist leaders. CPEC is a shared project. Protecting it should be a shared burden too.
 

davidau

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China is spineless...period...!
Being trashed and humiliated by India at least in the eyes of the world, despite much proclamation of being a 'supapowah' with 'fastest-growing' military blah blah blah. Being harassed by the U.S continually in the South China sea, just a few miles from its own shores.
Even the Philippines is now thinking to start construction in the SCS, since they feel that there is really nothing to fear from China, or that they have more to gain than lose. Australia just reneged on a Deal they previously made with China, can China even do anything other than criticize Australia?
No amount of hardware of new toys can match a person's/people's spirit.
I have stated this before and will state it again, China simply lacks the attitude or bravado to become a true military power.
China will be a regional power, along with India, Japan and South Korea, at best....!

It has done nothing with regards to Myanmar, and it will do nothing with regards to the Balochistan bombing, simply because China lacks the spine. Heck, Meng wanzhou is literally a 'captive' in Canada, and what has China done in the past couple of years? Spineless, does anyone need anymore proof? Pakistan better hedge their bet carefully by not putting all their eggs into the Chinese Basket.

I used to think China will be a Power to be reckoned with, both militarily and economically, and that it will also become a leader in the Asia Pacific and beyond, but it has shown very little qualities for leadership.
China doesn't stand for good, , neither does it make a stand on any issue at all, take a look at Myanmar. Not one Nation in Asia or beyond looks to China for leadership. A Nation that doesn't make a concrete stand on anything can never be a true leader or World Power.
You know nothing about China, its culture and history! You least know about China's achievements. China is not a warmonger like US, Japan, the West, in general and Uk in particular. Have you heard of the elimination of poverty in a country of 1.4 billion people. Do you know China is to put in space its own space station starting shortly this month with the core module put into space 25 April? Do you know ISS no more in a couple of years? China's FAST radio telescope with 500 metre in apeture is the lagest and only one in the world, the US one was destroyed by storms? Do you know China produces the largest shipping tonnage both comercial and military? Do you know the number of deaths in India, US from covid-19? Do you know the number of cases in thes two countries? Do you know the number of cases and deaths in China?? Answer is NO...you do not know period.
 
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ansy1968

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Good answer. There is a good chunk of people in this forum who support militarism, aggressive politics, isolationism and reactionary politics. I don't know what they want to see. China could interfere with foreign countries' internal affairs, inject military force everywhere in the first opportunity and intervene in civil wars militarily, infiltrate with intelligence apparatus and NGOs, support terrorists and coups, increase its defense budget to 4% and build a massive nuclear arsenal. Basically the USA and the former Soviet Union behavior. And I am sure China would be more effective than the Soviet Union as it has much more resources and has no problems with citizen loyalty. The question is what would China gain from all of this? Nothing.
@BoraTas Sir! That is what the west want from China , to be LIKE THEM, to follow THEIR WESTERN VALUES, If she does the 3rd and developing world will be in trouble and will be in a lot of pain, cause instead of one bully there will be TWO. And we should be thankful that the Chinese rejected it and follow its owned path, and some Indians may not like it, it will be their inevitable savior whether they like it or not.
 

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