China's strategy in Korean peninsula
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I wish I could get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for espousing my dumbass ideas on national television.
This thread is about China's policy toward N. Korea.
IT IS NOT AN ANTI-AMERICAN THREAD.
People could make all sorts of remarks about the ills of any country and the mistakes they have made...and they all have made them.. These atrocious and out of line comments invite others to do the same and are, in reality, just flame bait. None of which is allowed on SD.
Anyone with an ounce of honesty, and the slightest willingness to look beyond their anti-American rhetoric knows that the leader of North Korea is a tyrant who regularly acts upon his total power and is a danger to the people of Korea and his neighbors.
That's the simple truth and China is probably the only nation on earth who can exert some measure of influence on him and his decisions.
As an American...I hope and pray that are successful in doing so.
As it is, the anti-American tirades will be deleted and the thread closed temporarily to cool off.
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IT IS NOT AN ANTI-AMERICAN THREAD.
People could make all sorts of remarks about the ills of any country and the mistakes they have made...and they all have made them.. These atrocious and out of line comments invite others to do the same and are, in reality, just flame bait. None of which is allowed on SD.
Anyone with an ounce of honesty, and the slightest willingness to look beyond their anti-American rhetoric knows that the leader of North Korea is a tyrant who regularly acts upon his total power and is a danger to the people of Korea and his neighbors.
That's the simple truth and China is probably the only nation on earth who can exert some measure of influence on him and his decisions.
As an American...I hope and pray that are successful in doing so.
As it is, the anti-American tirades will be deleted and the thread closed temporarily to cool off.
THREAD CLOSED
Yes, pride is a powerful thing.
The prideful starving wild wolf becomes weak and dies.
Whilst the fat defenseless dog swallows his pride, and lives so that he can build up his strength.
At the end of the day, what is the best course of action to create a prosperous middle-class citizenry?
We can see that Fatty Kim has explicitly rejected the Chinese reform model.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Well, that story can progress multiple different ways. The starving wolf can be hardened to become the master of the mountains whilst the fat dog could have gotten to so used to its leash and playing tricks for food that it forgets it was enslaved and loses its fighting spirit, permanently.
A prosperous middle class is not the end goal if those citizens can do nothing but watch their country submit to the demands of its master, albeit with caviar on their tables. The final goal is to use the prosperity of the middle class to create/maintain a military that cowers its rivals and brings pride to its citizens.
I'm not saying that North Korea's choice is the best choice; it clearly is not. China has never been anyone's dog and yet it has built up its strength in world record-breaking speed (it also developed nukes while under heat/threats from both the US and Soviet Union and eventually they simply had to accept a nuclear China). But I believe the original question posted asked why North Korea would want to develop nukes and be a rogue rather than submit to America and suckle from its power instead like some other countries (or something else along those lines). That was my response.
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No.
The purpose of a military is to defend the prosperity and security of its citizens.
Building a military for the purpose of cowering its rivals and bringing pride to its citizens is simply a byproduct, not the objective.
A hereditary dictatorship where the Kims only objective is to remain in power (by keeping the people poor) is only worthy of contempt, and is the situation which we see today.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
A powerful military is feared by its enemies, therefore its citizens are safe and proud, etc... it guards its national prosperity and that prosperity is used to build a better military. Can't have one without the other, it's a cycle. I think we agree on what the military is for; we're just putting it in different ways.
I never said I liked the way the Kims rule. It's ridiculous that they've made a fake religion with people thinking that the ruling family is divine or that Kim Il Sung rules from the grave. It's also stupid that they make empty threats all the time instead of silently building their power. Ideally, they should follow China's example, then they wouldn't be so financially inept to support their military. But with all those mistakes, at least they didn't make the biggest one and become somebody's dog.
One thing they got right is that North Korea needs to be able to defend itself (with nukes, if threatened with nukes) and doesn't bow to the threats of others, not even the United States.
solarz
Brigadier
No, the purpose of a military should be to defend the security of its citizens, and only the security.
Prosperity comes from security and hard work.
It's when you put prosperity into the mandate of a military that you get actions like attacking other countries for economic reasons.
Agreed. That is a better way of putting it.