China's strategy in Korean peninsula


Phead128

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Well since Trump lied to China saying if they helped on North Korea, he would table trade disputes, what did they expect would happen?
That's Lindsay Graham, the most hawkish senator in Congress today. He is thoroughly Destroyed by fellow Republican Senator Rand Paul for his hawkish stance.

Rand Paul: Lindsey Graham "A Danger To The Country" By Even Proposing Ideas Like Authorizing War With Korea

He calls him a "Danger to Country" at 3 minutes 22 seconds.
 

plawolf

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Well since Trump lied to China saying if they helped on North Korea, he would table trade disputes, what did they expect would happen?
Well to be fair to Trump, he is hardly the first US President to back out of commitments to weasel out of making good on US promises as soon as they get the concessions from the other side.

Although past administrations at least had the good grace to (mostly) uphold their own commitments and tend to only rip up promises made by previous administrations.

China went out of its way to pressure NK to enter into talks with the US on disarmament, with trade explicitly linked as part of that deal. It’s amazing, yet also utterly unsurprising, that US politicians would see the explicit link between the NK deal and trade, yet somehow think the US pressing ahead with sanctions should still have zero impact on those NK agreements, and that any determental impact on the NK disarmament side is somehow China not ‘playing fair’?!

It’s not often I agree with NK, but they are spot on the money in calling out such behaviour as gangster-like.
 
Well to be fair to Trump, he is hardly the first US President to back out of commitments to weasel out of making good on US promises as soon as they get the concessions from the other side.

Although past administrations at least had the good grace to (mostly) uphold their own commitments and tend to only rip up promises made by previous administrations.

China went out of its way to pressure NK to enter into talks with the US on disarmament, with trade explicitly linked as part of that deal. It’s amazing, yet also utterly unsurprising, that US politicians would see the explicit link between the NK deal and trade, yet somehow think the US pressing ahead with sanctions should still have zero impact on those NK agreements, and that any determental impact on the NK disarmament side is somehow China not ‘playing fair’?!

It’s not often I agree with NK, but they are spot on the money in calling out such behaviour as gangster-like.
Kim visited China before and after the Trump visit. I think China told him to go to the meeting and play nice. Watch what happens afterwards. Kim follows suit, and Trump immediately turns on China's trade with tariffs, which is exactly what he promised not to do if China got Kim to play ball. Kim comes back to Xi and Xi tells him, "You see the type of guy this is? You think he'll follow through and make you safe and rich if you upheld your end of the bargain?" And Kim immediately understood that the only way to deal with Trump is to forever dangle a carrot in front of him and never give him anything because once he gets what he wants, he will re neg on his part of the deal and strong-arm you for more. Americans like to tout, "Trust but verify," but the funny thing is that this is what China just did. Trump put on a far below average show of intellect by thinking that he took Kim's trust like it was an item and now it's time to let the devil horns out. Xi showed him that China can give and China can taketh away.


If the EU were smart, they'd know too from seeing this that a deal with Trump is worth less than its weight in toilet paper because essentially Trump's only method of getting a "good deal" is to take what he can and not pay what he promised. He's done this to tons of American businesses, accepting their work, even praising them for an excellent job and when their payday comes, they're met with a team of Trump lawyers who tell them that they can either accept 10% of the contract amount or go to court with high legal costs for several years potentially ending up with nothing. That's how Trump makes "good deals" LOL. The only way to deal with a guy who tries to trick you into giving him something for nothing is to counter-offer him nothing for something in return, dragging this game on until his term has run out, all the while using this time to develop your country faster than the US so that you are in a more powerful position to deal with his successor (who, by 2024, would probably need to empty out a Pennsylvania paper factory warehouse for all the apologies he'd need to write to get America's allies to forgive the US).
 
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plawolf

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Kim visited China before and after the Trump visit. I think China told him to go to the meeting and play nice. Watch what happens afterwards. Kim follows suit, and Trump immediately turns on China's trade with tariffs, which is exactly what he promised not to do if China got Kim to play ball. Kim comes back to Xi and Xi tells him, "You see the type of guy this is? You think he'll follow through and make you safe and rich if you upheld your end of the bargain?" And Kim immediately understood that the only way to deal with Trump is to forever dangle a carrot in front of him and never give him anything because once he gets what he wants, he will re neg on his part of the deal and strong-arm you for more. Americans like to tout, "Trust but verify," but the funny thing is that this is what China just did. Trump put on a far below average show of intellect by thinking that he took Kim's trust like it was an item and now it's time to let the devil horns out. Xi showed him that China can give and China can taketh away.


If the EU were smart, they'd know too from seeing this that a deal with Trump is worth less than its weight in toilet paper because essentially Trump's only method of getting a "good deal" is to take what he can and not pay what he promised. He's done this to tons of American businesses, accepting their work, even praising them for an excellent job and when their payday comes, they're met with a team of Trump lawyers who tell them that they can either accept 10% of the contract amount or go to court with high legal costs for several years potentially ending up with nothing. That's how Trump makes "good deals" LOL. The only way to deal with a guy who tries to trick you into giving him something for nothing is to counter-offer him nothing for something in return, dragging this game on until his term has run out, all the while using this time to develop your country faster than the US so that you are in a more powerful position to deal with his successor (who, by 2024, would probably need to empty out a Pennsylvania paper factory warehouse for all the apologies he'd need to write to get America's allies to forgive the US).
I think you may be disappointed hoping things will change after Trump.

The fact is that America has always behaved like this in terms to breaking promises after getting what they want.

Trump is just more honest about it whereas the likes of Obama will do the same thing, but spin a long lofty lecture to make it seem like he is doing you a favour by breaking his word and that you should actually be thankful that he did it.
 
I think you may be disappointed hoping things will change after Trump.

The fact is that America has always behaved like this in terms to breaking promises after getting what they want.

Trump is just more honest about it whereas the likes of Obama will do the same thing, but spin a long lofty lecture to make it seem like he is doing you a favour by breaking his word and that you should actually be thankful that he did it.
Oh no, I have no positive expectations of the US under any president (unless you consider making mistakes that China can take advantage of as positive). I take it for granted that unless Russia becomes the predominant force in the world or an alien invasion requires all humanity to cooperate to fight off, China and the US will be adversaries (frenemies at most) hoping to undermine each other at every turn. I'm very happy at the job that Trump is doing and I'd only be disappointed if the next US president were very competent like Xi. It'd be great to see an equally angry and incompetent Republican continue Trump's legacy or it would also be sweet to see an overly liberal Democrat expend US resources to cancel everything that Trump spent US resources putting together (meaning that the US just lost 16 years going in a circle as China progressed). Time is more valuable that gold and for each US president who is unable to stop China's rise, China will emerge a greater challenge for his successor until China becomes number one and achieves all of its interests. Trump's 8 years will be a great boon for China closing the gap with a US that expends its resources on hate and blame rather than marching ahead.
 
did North Korea and China got even closer lately?

I would've thought so based on socrel pictures inside
Kim Jong Un inspects factories, construction sites in mountainous DPRK-China border region
Updated 2018-07-10 12:59 GMT+8
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OK one 'classical socrel':


and one '2018 socrel':
 

Phead128

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Trump has staked his political legacy as the person who can close the Korean Peace Treaty deal (realistic achievable goal).

China knows this is Trump's weak point.

It won't let a good leverage point go to waste, if Trump goes ahead with trade tariffs, then China will relax the sanctions on NK and drag out NK issue for as long as possible. Trump will likely recognize this and find an early exit from trade war.
 
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