China's Space Program Thread II

gpt

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I hope Landspace will get even more support from the government,

To be sure they do get some support (launch site logistics and handling, test benches etc) but until recently China's space startups act more as ways of offloading risk for R&D in the launch sector without being given huge responsibility (so far), as it still conducts all of its important launches under its state-controlled space programs.

You'd be surprised how much the government leave these startups to their own devices. It's quite unlike NASA where they are integral technical partners of SpaceX, helping them develop Falcon and Dragon, especially under-the-hood tech, and are still assisting them with a ton of CFD, material science and sims work for their other projects.

The silver lining is what would be considered proprietary information in the US (IP developed by one co is certainly not given to another) is culturally irrelevant over there. Information is shared rather freely across China’s aerospace sector. Once a few of these companies demonstrate their reliability the state will get more hands-on and give them more responsibilities.
 

Michael90

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To be sure they do get some support (launch site logistics and handling, test benches etc) but until recently China's space startups act more as ways of offloading risk for R&D in the launch sector without being given huge responsibility (so far), as it still conducts all of its important launches under its state-controlled space programs.

You'd be surprised how much the government leave these startups to their own devices. It's quite unlike NASA where they are integral technical partners of SpaceX, helping them develop Falcon and Dragon, especially under-the-hood tech, and are still assisting them with a ton of CFD, material science and sims work for their other projects.

The silver lining is what would be considered proprietary information in the US (IP developed by one co is certainly not given to another) is culturally irrelevant over there. Information is shared rather freely across China’s aerospace sector. Once a few of these companies demonstrate their reliability the state will get more hands-on and give them more responsibilities.
Interesting. But if the private players prove their worth and become very reliable and competent wouldn't it cause a conflict of intrests with state companies who have a quasi monopoly on launches so far?
Afterall, no company likes unwanted competition much less helping that competition thrive. Its like China mobile and UNICOM being told private players will be allowed in their industry to compete with them, im sure rhey wont be happy about that as their market share will reduce.
Afterall State launch companies like CASC/SAST etc all have commercial arms they have set up to compete and keep their market share. I think private players will be more in demand or have more opportunities with private projects launches like Geely space constellation for example. State projects might be more harder for them to compete with more established state players. Since this are more strategic for the government.
Anyway, competition is always good since it also pushes state players to up their game and innovate even faster and take more risks.
 

ZachL111

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LandSpace will invest 1 billion RMB to increase their production capacity of ZQ-3 vehicles to 15, hopefully leading to many more attempts and launches over the next year.


As mentioned earlier by Michael, the Fengyun-4 03, the most advanced geostationary meteorological satellite on the planet, was launched earlier on the Long March 3B from XSLC. It employs a new thruster on stick design and propulsion, we also have a lot of photos and a mission patch.

 

antiterror13

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Guowang sats are significantly heavier than starlink or spacesail sats. They are not just for internet coverage, and appear to have multiple weight classes and types of platform launching under the same name and network. Not good practice to try to compare them.
well, it is correct that Guowang is significantly heavier than starlink V1.0 and 1.5 (~250kgs). But quite similar to Starlink v2 mini (~750kgs). It is true that the majority of Starlink are V1.0 and 1.5, about 6,000 of them and these will be replaced soon with V2.

Guowang will need much less satellites than Starlink, because Guowang is ~1,000 kg and operate at ~ 1,145 km while Starlink at ~550kms
 
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