China's Space Program Thread II

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Tianlong-3's dedicated launchpad at Jiuquan.

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Tianbing's dedicated launchpad for Tianlong-3 at Jiuquan has entered formal service. A launch drill using a full-scale Tianlong-3 model was carried out.

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sangye

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Tianbing's dedicated launchpad for Tianlong-3 at Jiuquan has entered formal service. A launch drill using a full-scale Tianlong-3 model was carried out.
Does anyone have the specs for the Tianhuo-12 engine other than what can be found on Wikipedia?
 

TheRathalos

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Does anyone have the specs for the Tianhuo-12 engine other than what can be found on Wikipedia?
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Propellant: Liquid oxygen + coal-based kerosene
Thrust at sea level: 93t (note: rumors of uprating)
Specific impulse at sea level: 285s
Thrust-to-mass ratio (probably in vacuum; ~600kg mass): 163
Number of starts 4 times
Circulation mode Gas generator
Swing mode Pump backswing
Variable thrust range 50%~110%

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Vacuum thrust 110t
Vacuum specific impulse 330s
Thrust-to-mass ratio 115
Number of starts 2 times
Circulation mode Gas generator
Swing mode Pump front swing
 

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Propellant: Liquid oxygen + coal-based kerosene
Thrust at sea level: 93t (note: rumors of uprating)
Specific impulse at sea level: 285s
Thrust-to-mass ratio (probably in vacuum; ~600kg mass): 163
Number of starts 4 times
Circulation mode Gas generator
Swing mode Pump backswing
Variable thrust range 50%~110%

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Vacuum thrust 110t
Vacuum specific impulse 330s
Thrust-to-mass ratio 115
Number of starts 2 times
Circulation mode Gas generator
Swing mode Pump front swing
So
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Thrust, vacuum1,350
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(300,000
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Thrust, sea-level1,090
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(250,000
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Throttle range40%~110%
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163
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335s
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, sea-level
285s

is bs?
 

TheRathalos

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So
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Thrust, vacuum1,350
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(300,000
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Thrust, sea-level1,090
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Throttle range40%~110%
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163
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335s
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, sea-level
285s

is bs?
Originally Space Pioneer was developping Tianlong 3 with 7 engines on the 1st stage with these thrust figures, sometime in 2023 however, maybe because they couldn't hit these engine performance figures, they eventually went for a 9 engines design with lower individual thrust. So these figures are outdated.
 

gelgoog

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The ideal configuration is the 9 engines one.

The ratio of first stage to second stage in orbital rockets is that the first stage should have 10x the thrust of the second stage.
9 is closer to 10 than 7 is.
I am assuming the second stage uses a similar engine.
It is also easier to throttle down for landing with smaller engines.

When less engines are selected on a design this is typically done to increase reliability at the cost of performance.
 
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