China's Space Program News Thread

[quantumlight]

A Chinese announcement won’t mean anything. Head of NASA has already fabricate such a Chinese announcement where none existed to help drum up more money to land on the moon before Mid 2020s. The political currents in the US is with the effort for now. The US will certainly devote enough resources during next several years to return men to the moon considerably ahead of China, and then use the nominal scale of international participation in the the Artemis program to delegitimize any subsequent major Chinese effort on the moon in international popular opinion.

Of course political currents can change, as can international alignment.

Not sure what was the big deal about getting there first, and now getting there first again... not like the US did anything with that lead for 50 years until China caught up...

Apollo Guidance Computer has less power than a pocket calculator, much less a modern smartphone. Sure some of the telemetry for burns/ reentry was calculated on ground and then uploaded via datalink but the onboard computers had registers individually sown together and the computer UI interface consisted of three lines which only took numbers as input/output not to mention the DSKY used the VERB/NOUN thingy...

The rocket SaturnV could barely compensate for the center engine early shutdown on Apollo 13 that showed you just how primitive things was back then...

So I mean I think the focus for China should be on real tech like EUV, not on doing something that US did 50 years ago on basically stone age technology.. the fact that US wants to beat China to it again, is a joke

 

[Richard Santos]

it’s not a chip on the shoulder. it is insecurity.

 

[Richard Santos]

The Chinese and Russians have unveiled their Lunar Research Base road map that calls for it to be crewed after 2036, with phases and series of missions see

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Its pretty methodical rather than 'build it they will come' or ' We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard'

People have already walked on the Moon and if their past approaches are anything to go by the Chinese space program is pragmatic I don't think they'll just waste time and money doing things for show 'look how great we are we sent a man to the moon too!'. Rather if they do land on the moon it will be for a reason, testing something or doing something that needs humans

For some perverse reason its the Americans that seem to have a chip on their shoulder about having something to prove and makes everything into a race, oscillating between we are the greatest to we're so behind! Maybe losing the detailed blueprints for your moon rockets will do that to you, who knows!

The Chinese talk about a century of humiliation but it wasn't all plain sailing in the past few decades for Russia they may want to cast their demons aside by finally doing what the Soviets didn't manage half a century earlier, sooner rather than later and dictate a quicker pace!

For Russia the demon is poverty, which is not so easy to cast aside.

 

[gelgoog]

For Russia the demon is poverty, which is not so easy to cast aside.

Overrated. The Russian economy is highly decoupled because of the sanctions so the ruble to dollar exchange rate lacks meaning even if the ruble is convertible. Salaries are supposedly low but most people in Russia own their own homes (89% in Russia vs 66% in US vs 51% in Germany) and energy prices are quite low. Perhaps you prefer system like in the US where people supposedly have these huge salaries but have to pay for medical expenses out of pocket and have mortgages and don't own their house? Get cancer and they have to cash in their mortgage and end up in the middle of the street? The low salaries also mean it is much cheaper to make anything in Russia and that includes paying scientists and technical personnel for the space program.

 

[Strangelove]

Design of robotic arm for China’s Tiangong Space Station revealed

 

[Richard Santos]

Overrated. The Russian economy is highly decoupled because of the sanctions so the ruble to dollar exchange rate lacks meaning even if the ruble is convertible. Salaries are supposedly low but most people in Russia own their own homes (89% in Russia vs 66% in US vs 51% in Germany) and energy prices are quite low. Perhaps you prefer system like in the US where people supposedly have these huge salaries but have to pay for medical expenses out of pocket and have mortgages and don't own their house? Get cancer and they have to cash in their mortgage and end up in the middle of the street? The low salaries also mean it is much cheaper to make anything in Russia and that includes paying scientists and technical personnel for the space program.

Forget exchange rate. On purchase power parity basis, Russian economic output is barely larger than that of Indonesia and only 40% the size of India’s, 15% the size of China’s. Ability to invest on Large national capital programs such as space program depends on the overall output of the economy.

 

[gelgoog]

Forget exchange rate. On purchase power parity basis, Russian economic output is barely larger than that of Indonesia and only 40% the size of India’s.

I know which country of those three I would rather live in. You are also clearly talking bullshit.

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#50 Russia 29,485
#96 Indonesia 12,882
#122 India 7,333

The Indians have a hard enough time getting toilets. You are comparing a bit over a billion people with a bit over a hundred million people.

 

[Richard Santos]

Ability to invest on Large national capital programs such as space program depends on the overall output of the economy.

Uhhhh, overall GDP vs GDP per capita?

You can invest a lot more in a space program if your citizens are twice as poor, but you have 4 times more of them.

 

[gelgoog]

You can invest a lot more in a space program if your citizens are twice as poor but you have 4 times more of them.

You can, at the expense of added misery to an already miserable people. Compare the Indian and Russian space programs. The Indians have to purchase their technology from France and Russia. Their space launchers use French and Russian designed engines. GSLV's Vikas engine is a copy of decades old French Viking engine used in Ariane 4. Upper stage engine was based on technical transfer of Russian KVD-1 engine. The Indonesians don't even both having their own launchers. Russia has its own space industry which can conduct its own leading edge research and they have a gargantuan technical personnel pool India and Indonesia could only dream about.

 

[Richard Santos]

You can, at the expense of added misery to an already miserable people. Compare the Indian and Russian space programs. The Indians have to purchase their technology from France and Russia. Their space launchers use French and Russian designed engines. The Indonesians don't even both having their own launchers. Russia has its own space industry which can conduct its own leading edge research and have a gargantuan technical personnel pool India and Indonesia could only dream about.

yes, still they rely on NASA paying them for ferry flights to ISS using capsules designed under the soviet union, and on selling engines to Lockheed that were also designed under the soviet union, to prevent the previously gargantuan personnel pool from completely fretting away. Since NASA’s funding has increased and reliance on Russian ferry flights and engines are dimishing, that life line is being cut.

What other real new success can that pool actually claim since the fall of the USSR?