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Richard Santos

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Do you know if the chinese launcher(+capsule) will have an all-around abort capability in case something happens

In the past there was just a short period where abort could happen and thus save the crew

AFAIK SpaceX now provides a complete abort capability from the moment of ignition till all the way to space

Not unless launch escape tower stays with the spacecraft into orbit. The current Chinese capsule does not have any integral high thrust rocket that can pull the spacecraft away from the booster during boost phase.
 

taxiya

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Do you know if the chinese launcher(+capsule) will have an all-around abort capability in case something happens

In the past there was just a short period where abort could happen and thus save the crew

AFAIK SpaceX now provides a complete abort capability from the moment of ignition till all the way to space
I quote your post for the discussion of the subject "full envelope escape capability" (name by NASA as what you mean by all-around).

I don't know the answer specifically regarding China's CZ-2F+Shenzhou combo. But it is possible and have been done by Orion which is a similar system to Shenzhou. Here is what I read from
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"But why did both companies chose liquid fueled abort motors? There’s a few reasons but it is likely due to increased safety requirements from NASA. They want what’s known as a full envelope abort, or the ability to safely abort at any given point in the flight.

Now solid abort motors can provide this option too, for instance the Orion Capsule’s solid rocket tractor system offers an abort mode for the first two minutes of flight, after which the tower is jettisoned and the second stage of the SLS system or the service module’s AJ-10 engine can provide abort options."


P.S. SpaceX is not unique to have integrated pusher escape system, Boeing does it too. It is a bit irritating to hear SpaceX being touted as the "first" of everything when it is not. ;)
Not unless launch escape tower stays with the spacecraft into orbit. The current Chinese capsule does not have any integral high thrust rocket that can pull the spacecraft away from the booster during boost phase.
See the above answer to voyager1.

As none of us know the technical details of Shenzhou system, one can not say whether it can or can not. Besides, it is not correct to say the underlined part because that is what the escape tower does.
 
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Richard Santos

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I quote your post for the discussion of the subject "full envelope escape capability" (name by NASA as what you mean by all-around).

I don't know the answer specifically regarding China's CZ-2F+Shenzhou combo. But it is possible and have been done by Orion which is a similar system to Shenzhou. Here is what I read from
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and I quote.

"But why did both companies chose liquid fueled abort motors? There’s a few reasons but it is likely due to increased safety requirements from NASA. They want what’s known as a full envelope abort, or the ability to safely abort at any given point in the flight.

Now solid abort motors can provide this option too, for instance the Orion Capsule’s solid rocket tractor system offers an abort mode for the first two minutes of flight, after which the tower is jettisoned and the second stage of the SLS system or the service module’s AJ-10 engine can provide abort options."


P.S. SpaceX is not unique to have integrated pusher escape system, Boeing does it too. It is a bit irritating to hear SpaceX being touted as the "first" of everything when it is not. ;)

See the above answer to voyager1.

As none of us know the technical details of Shenzhou system, one can not say whether it can or can not. Besides, it is not correct to say the underlined part because that is what the escape tower does.
you need to underline all relevant parts, including the part about “integral”, and about tower staying with the capsule, instead of manufacturing opportunities for yourself to criticize by quoting selected parts other people’s posts out of context.
 
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taxiya

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you need to underline all relevant parts, including the part about “integral”.
Integral has nothing to do with my reply. My reply is aiming at "pulling the craft away during boost phase escape". For that purpose "integral rocket" or "escape tower" is irrelevant.
 

Richard Santos

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your reply is then irrelevant, because integral and escape tower are both central to the post that you cherry picked from to puff yourself up.
 

Richard Santos

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If Russia Leaves the ISS, she is unlikely to be able to afford any new space station of her own for the foreseeable future, much less manned landing anywhere. In that case what will the russian manned space program do in the mean time? So flying to the chinese station might be their only way for Russia to sustain her manned space capability..
 

iantsai

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Do you know if the chinese launcher(+capsule) will have an all-around abort capability in case something happens

In the past there was just a short period where abort could happen and thus save the crew

AFAIK SpaceX now provides a complete abort capability from the moment of ignition till all the way to space
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According to this article(in Chinese), the cz-2f crewed mission launching system has an escape tower, which works in the first 120 seconds of the launching process. In case of emergency the escape tower will start and separate the reentry module from the rest of the rocket and lift it away for 1500 meters thus the main parachute of the module could be openned safely.

After 120 seconds the escape tower will be kicked away and thereafter the four high-altitude escape engine on the reentry module will help the module separate and reentry safely. In this case the reentry location may be unpredictable, unlike the first stage of the falcon 9.
 
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