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Xizor

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The strange thing is there have been so many U.S. Mars probe missions and yet I've not seen real-life footage of any of these probes doing the braking maneuver while approaching Mars. China is doing it for the first time and already CNSA is showing the braking maneuver the next day.

Let's see if NASA will show us the footage of the braking maneuver of the Perseverance spacecraft while coming in to land on Mars in a week's time.
They got videos, selfies and pictures of Martian surface though. Three rovers with great reputation and service.

Let's see if China manages to get a Rover down.
 

B.I.B.

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They got videos, selfies and pictures of Martian surface though. Three rovers with great reputation and service.

Let's see if China manages to get a Rover down.
The thin atmosphere and the gradual degradation of componentry for the long journey were often given for the failure of earlier landing attempts by NASA and ESA.
 

taxiya

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"Future Development of Space Transportation System of China" by CALT published on MISSILES AND SPACE VEHICLES, issue 1 2021
Something I am interested in:
Achievement so far:
  1. YF-130, partial tested and full engine assembled. The partial test is full sized pre-burner and turbo pump.
  2. YF-90, full engine assembled.
Roadmap:
  1. New crew launcher (921) to be launched in 2025 to support manned lunar landing mission. Not saying what configuration.
  2. Heavy launcher (CZ-9) to be launched in 2030, to support manned lunar base construction.
  3. To realize first stage reusable by 2025. Test to begin in 2021.
  4. To replace all hypergolic engines/rockets by 2030.
 

Kejora

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I noticed that most of photos about Tianwen rover seems to show the simple props used for exhibition instead of the actual rover. The actual rover noticably have more protruding cables and sensors than the prop

Prop:
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Actual rover:
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Also while NASA rover's axle located on the inside, Tianwen and ESA rover's axle located on outside

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Tianwen
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anzha

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China is open in its endeavour for space explorations. It shows China is open and transparent, unlike the US

I'll make myself even more popular here, but...this is a bit silly.

The US has been sending probes to Mars since before it was practical to send live video. The transition burn is still considered important, but other forms of telemetry can give the necessary data without needing a video. The US has landed 4 successful landers, three rovers, several orbiters (7? I think?) and two flybys. The US has lost missions to Mars, to be sure: 1 flyby, 2 orbiters and a lander. Two of those losses were for really, really stupid reasons. Hopefully, Perseverance does well. We shall see.

That said, I do understand why China wanted the video: it would be extra helpful if something went wrong their first attempt. It's now an option, when in 1971 it was not, so why not?

Whether it is Hope, Tiawen-1, Perseverance, Exomars or Mangalyaan, the data returned will benefit all of humanity as we as a species attempt to colonize Mars.

I would suggest eschewing the nationalism, celebrating the triumphs and mourning the failures.
 

sinophilia

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I'll make myself even more popular here, but...this is a bit silly.

The US has been sending probes to Mars since before it was practical to send live video. The transition burn is still considered important, but other forms of telemetry can give the necessary data without needing a video. The US has landed 4 successful landers, three rovers, several orbiters (7? I think?) and two flybys. The US has lost missions to Mars, to be sure: 1 flyby, 2 orbiters and a lander. Two of those losses were for really, really stupid reasons. Hopefully, Perseverance does well. We shall see.

That said, I do understand why China wanted the video: it would be extra helpful if something went wrong their first attempt. It's now an option, when in 1971 it was not, so why not?

Whether it is Hope, Tiawen-1, Perseverance, Exomars or Mangalyaan, the data returned will benefit all of humanity as we as a species attempt to colonize Mars.

I would suggest eschewing the nationalism, celebrating the triumphs and mourning the failures.

I think there are/were 4 Mars rovers: Sojourner, Opportunity, Spirit, Curiosity

Maybe people don’t count Sojourner for some reason or forget it existed.
 

taxiya

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I noticed that most of photos about Tianwen rover seems to show the simple props used for exhibition instead of the actual rover. The actual rover noticably have more protruding cables and sensors than the prop

Prop:
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Actual rover:
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Also while NASA rover's axle located on the inside, Tianwen and ESA rover's axle located on outside

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Tianwen
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ESA
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I think by "axle" you meant the arm that connect the axle with the rotating bearing and the body. I am not so sure of them being different though. Remember that these rotating bearings (the devices just above the wheels) can rotate almost 360 degrees only limited by the power cables. The ESA and Tianwen rover's arms can rotate into the same way (inside).
 

taxiya

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I'll make myself even more popular here, but...this is a bit silly.

The US has been sending probes to Mars since before it was practical to send live video. The transition burn is still considered important, but other forms of telemetry can give the necessary data without needing a video. The US has landed 4 successful landers, three rovers, several orbiters (7? I think?) and two flybys. The US has lost missions to Mars, to be sure: 1 flyby, 2 orbiters and a lander. Two of those losses were for really, really stupid reasons. Hopefully, Perseverance does well. We shall see.

That said, I do understand why China wanted the video: it would be extra helpful if something went wrong their first attempt. It's now an option, when in 1971 it was not, so why not?

Whether it is Hope, Tiawen-1, Perseverance, Exomars or Mangalyaan, the data returned will benefit all of humanity as we as a species attempt to colonize Mars.

I would suggest eschewing the nationalism, celebrating the triumphs and mourning the failures.
That is what I believed too.

On-board cameras can give visual confirmations to the control center after every event. It will help to identify the cause in case a failure. This is the same with cameras on rocket launchers these days. It is not even a new thing, we have seen Apollo's stage separation videos. They are not just for show, but has real technical reasons.

The reason that US did the Apollo video but not Mars video is because, Apollo staging videos are so close to earth, so the analog bandwidth in the time is wide enough. High bandwidth digital communication from as far as Mars is only possible recently, and by this time, US has accumulated enough experience that they can trust everything the telemetry data says, but China does not have such confidence in a first mission.
 

by78

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The Queqiao lunar relay satellite for the Chang'e 4 mission has achieve the milestone of operating for 1000 days.

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