joshuatree
Captain
Unfortunately, I don't know exactly who. But two of the three pics I posted are in Filipino media so I think it's not far fetched to attribute American surveillance who then passed them on to the Philippines.
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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Unfortunately, I don't know exactly who. But two of the three pics I posted are in Filipino media so I think it's not far fetched to attribute American surveillance who then passed them on to the Philippines.
I suspect you are right, the water does not line up and the scale is actually wrong as well.
joshuatree
Captain
Different pic confirming its Dongmen Jiao / Hughes Reef. Those blue containers look to be living quarters given the windowns and what seems to be AC units on them.
海军司令吴胜利：只要美国不停止侦察，中方就不会停止拦截
Navy Commender Wu Shengli: As long as the U.S. does not stop reconnaissance, China will not stop intercept
[video]http://v.ifeng.com/v/mil/djzc/index.shtml?_v_www4#0120cca0-4407-49f2-8a4a-3daae146c121[/video]
应美国海军作战部长格林纳特上将邀请，**委员、海军司令员吴胜利率团15日启程赴美，参加于 16日-19日在美国海军战争学院举行的第21届国际海上力量研讨会。
吴胜利在美国与美国太平洋舰队司令哈里斯和海军作战部长格林纳特分别举行了会谈，吴胜利表示，美方指责 中国飞行员拦截美国侦察机不专业的说法毫无根据，只要美国不停止侦察，中方就不会停止拦截，但是吴胜利也强 调，绝不希望中美撞机重演。
吴胜利表示，美方相信美方飞行员对事件的描述，我可以理解，但我对于中国飞行员的表述也是坚信不疑的， 请美方拿出证据来证明美方的表述是客观的，但美方拿不出来，只有两幅照片不能说明问题，不要说500米的距 离，就算5000米的距离长镜头一拉也能拍出这样的照片。
吴胜利表示，美方对华抵近侦察已经是常态化，不可能停止，但中国的反制也不会终止，吴胜利称，如果美国 能停止就不是美国了，我们必须对美国飞机实行有效的识别和查证，只要有国外舰机对我抵近侦察，我们的识别查 证行为就不会停止。
吴胜利表示，绝不希望发生第二次中美撞机事件，绝不希望牺牲第二个王伟。
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To be Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Greenert invitation ** members, Navy Commander Wu Shengli, the United States led a delegation departed on the 15th, to attend the 21th International Seminar on the 16th naval forces -19 days held at the Navy War College will. Wu Shengli held talks in the United States and the United States Pacific Fleet Commander Harris and CNO Greenert respectively, Wu Shengli said the United States accused China of intercepting American spy plane pilot unprofessional is groundless, as long as the United States does not stop reconnaissance, China will not stop interception , but Wu Shengli also stressed that do not want a repeat of the collision. Wu Shengli said the United States believes the United States to describe the events of the pilot, I can understand, but I am also a believer in the Chinese pilot's statements, see the United States to produce evidence to prove that the United States representation is objective, but the United States get it out, Only two photographs can not explain the problem, not to mention the 500 meters distance, even if the distance of 5000 m long lens can shoot a pull this photo. Wu Shengli said the United States came close reconnaissance Fang Duihua already normalized, it is impossible to stop, but China's counter does not terminate , Wu Shengli said that if the United States can not stop the United States, we must implement effective against American aircraft identification and verification, as long as there are foreign vessels and planes came close to me, reconnaissance, identification verify our behavior will not stop. Wu Shengli said, do not want a second collision occurred, do not want to sacrifice the second Wang Wei.
Navy Commender Wu Shengli: As long as the U.S. does not stop reconnaissance, China will not stop intercept
[video]http://v.ifeng.com/v/mil/djzc/index.shtml?_v_www4#0120cca0-4407-49f2-8a4a-3daae146c121[/video]
应美国海军作战部长格林纳特上将邀请，**委员、海军司令员吴胜利率团15日启程赴美，参加于 16日-19日在美国海军战争学院举行的第21届国际海上力量研讨会。
吴胜利在美国与美国太平洋舰队司令哈里斯和海军作战部长格林纳特分别举行了会谈，吴胜利表示，美方指责 中国飞行员拦截美国侦察机不专业的说法毫无根据，只要美国不停止侦察，中方就不会停止拦截，但是吴胜利也强 调，绝不希望中美撞机重演。
吴胜利表示，美方相信美方飞行员对事件的描述，我可以理解，但我对于中国飞行员的表述也是坚信不疑的， 请美方拿出证据来证明美方的表述是客观的，但美方拿不出来，只有两幅照片不能说明问题，不要说500米的距 离，就算5000米的距离长镜头一拉也能拍出这样的照片。
吴胜利表示，美方对华抵近侦察已经是常态化，不可能停止，但中国的反制也不会终止，吴胜利称，如果美国 能停止就不是美国了，我们必须对美国飞机实行有效的识别和查证，只要有国外舰机对我抵近侦察，我们的识别查 证行为就不会停止。
吴胜利表示，绝不希望发生第二次中美撞机事件，绝不希望牺牲第二个王伟。
Auto Translation:
To be Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Greenert invitation ** members, Navy Commander Wu Shengli, the United States led a delegation departed on the 15th, to attend the 21th International Seminar on the 16th naval forces -19 days held at the Navy War College will. Wu Shengli held talks in the United States and the United States Pacific Fleet Commander Harris and CNO Greenert respectively, Wu Shengli said the United States accused China of intercepting American spy plane pilot unprofessional is groundless, as long as the United States does not stop reconnaissance, China will not stop interception , but Wu Shengli also stressed that do not want a repeat of the collision. Wu Shengli said the United States believes the United States to describe the events of the pilot, I can understand, but I am also a believer in the Chinese pilot's statements, see the United States to produce evidence to prove that the United States representation is objective, but the United States get it out, Only two photographs can not explain the problem, not to mention the 500 meters distance, even if the distance of 5000 m long lens can shoot a pull this photo. Wu Shengli said the United States came close reconnaissance Fang Duihua already normalized, it is impossible to stop, but China's counter does not terminate , Wu Shengli said that if the United States can not stop the United States, we must implement effective against American aircraft identification and verification, as long as there are foreign vessels and planes came close to me, reconnaissance, identification verify our behavior will not stop. Wu Shengli said, do not want a second collision occurred, do not want to sacrifice the second Wang Wei.
broadsword
Brigadier
I wish China would use an F-7 to intercept. More economical.
J7s, or rather, Mig21s, were never designed for such roles.
They're designed to be high-speed, high-altitude fighter jets.
Controlling of such aircrafts, considering the design, the lack of fly-by-wire system, and the ageing frame....I would say the chances of an incident will be much higher...
Roger that, single engine, over water,,,,, not as much fuel, well it starts to look worrisome...... and I know the F-35 is a single engine, but I can tell you, one engine, over water, at night????? no thanks, and I'd like to say I'll fly anything once???
broadsword
Brigadier
shen
Senior Member
American politicians need to realise that by pushing both China and Russia, you'll only end up pushing those two closer together. I believe that's bad for American national interests.
The last thing the US wants to see is a strong China-Russia relationship, or even alliance. The two are just so complimentary to each other. One lacks people and the other have too much. One has oil and gas the other needs them badly. One needs more consumer goods while the other produces too much consumer goods. Even in military stuff the two has so much to offer each other and there's so much to cooperate on.
Furthermore, by getting too involved in the SCS will only add to the burden of American people. Is this really a priority for the US? I believe the problems in Ukraine and the Middle East are far more pressing. In fact, China is accelerating construction work in the SCS while the US busily trying to find a way to fight the IS while avoiding a boots-on-the-ground war again. In addition, it doesn't look like Putin is ever going to stop whatever he's doing.
The US likes to mock the Chinese because we don't have "friends", or "allies". But, sometimes I think allies can be more of a nuisance than blessing. Not always, but it happens.
It is by now rather clear that many of America's allies are taking a free-ride. Be it those in Asia, or those in Europe.
Those in Asia hopes that America will counter China on their behalf and they can just save their efforts for it (anyway without the US they can't do much as well). Those in Europe hopes that America will somehow magically push Putin back.
Those in the Middle East? I'm not even sure you guys can call them allies. Who knows if the IS is actually funded by the Saudis or not?
Sometimes I, as a Chinese, pity the Americans. You've got a thousand problems at home and some people just hope you can solve another thousand problems for them. Meanwhile they will be saving their time and money and make more money.
With all the talks of anti-China and anti-Russia, S.Korea is soon going to sign a FTA with us. Japan-China trade is almost twice that of Japan-US trade. China-ASEAN trade has been growing exponentially. France still didn't revoke the Mistral Class deal. Even the UK, America's closest ally, recently announced that they're going to be the first country outside China to issue RMB bonds and make RMB one of their reserve currencies.
Going back to the SCS issue, what I really want to say is, Americans, please ask yourself, is it worthwhile if you do something? You may think of yourself as the Master of smaller allies, or Guardian of Peace, Democracy, and Freedom, but aren't those countries making use of that, too?
What's really in YOUR interest?
The last thing the US wants to see is a strong China-Russia relationship, or even alliance. The two are just so complimentary to each other. One lacks people and the other have too much. One has oil and gas the other needs them badly. One needs more consumer goods while the other produces too much consumer goods. Even in military stuff the two has so much to offer each other and there's so much to cooperate on.
Furthermore, by getting too involved in the SCS will only add to the burden of American people. Is this really a priority for the US? I believe the problems in Ukraine and the Middle East are far more pressing. In fact, China is accelerating construction work in the SCS while the US busily trying to find a way to fight the IS while avoiding a boots-on-the-ground war again. In addition, it doesn't look like Putin is ever going to stop whatever he's doing.
The US likes to mock the Chinese because we don't have "friends", or "allies". But, sometimes I think allies can be more of a nuisance than blessing. Not always, but it happens.
It is by now rather clear that many of America's allies are taking a free-ride. Be it those in Asia, or those in Europe.
Those in Asia hopes that America will counter China on their behalf and they can just save their efforts for it (anyway without the US they can't do much as well). Those in Europe hopes that America will somehow magically push Putin back.
Those in the Middle East? I'm not even sure you guys can call them allies. Who knows if the IS is actually funded by the Saudis or not?
Sometimes I, as a Chinese, pity the Americans. You've got a thousand problems at home and some people just hope you can solve another thousand problems for them. Meanwhile they will be saving their time and money and make more money.
With all the talks of anti-China and anti-Russia, S.Korea is soon going to sign a FTA with us. Japan-China trade is almost twice that of Japan-US trade. China-ASEAN trade has been growing exponentially. France still didn't revoke the Mistral Class deal. Even the UK, America's closest ally, recently announced that they're going to be the first country outside China to issue RMB bonds and make RMB one of their reserve currencies.
Going back to the SCS issue, what I really want to say is, Americans, please ask yourself, is it worthwhile if you do something? You may think of yourself as the Master of smaller allies, or Guardian of Peace, Democracy, and Freedom, but aren't those countries making use of that, too?
What's really in YOUR interest?