China's SCS Strategy Thread

Overbom

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That said, the Americans and/or Filipinos probably won't be firing shells or missiles at CCG ships and boats right away, but they could also resort to non-lethal/less-lethal tactics such as ramming, firing warning shots close to opposing ships or boats, or even small arms fire exchange. In case this happens, how likely would such confrontation get out of control?
Philippines and US out-ramming/anything non-lethal, the world champion on militia and coast guard vessels, China?

You can rest assured that, if its true, China has already wargamed all the scenarios you outlined above
 

coolgod

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Not sure how legit this guy is, but he is claiming June 15th is some sort of deadline to sign SCS code of conduct. Clearly Philippine is dragging their feet on signing this, he claims Vietnam already signed it. He thinks China is using the threat of forceful removal of Philippine garbage to pressure Philippine to sign it quickly, which I think is a valid point. He also points out 83 戚继光舰 (Qi Jiguang) will dock in Manila on June 14th, this ship serves as a training and diplomatic purpose.
 

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Not sure how legit this guy is, but he is claiming June 15th is some sort of deadline to sign SCS code of conduct. Clearly Philippine is dragging their feet on signing this, he claims Vietnam already signed it. He thinks China is using the threat of forceful removal of Philippine garbage to pressure Philippine to sign it quickly, which I think is a valid point. He also points out 83 戚继光舰 (Qi Jiguang) will dock in Manila on June 14th, this ship serves as a training and diplomatic purpose.
Can you screenshot his/her post for here? I got only a blank page after clicking that link.
 

FriedButter

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Yea sorry about the link, it’s weird since I can't find his link on the m.weibo.cn, but I could see it on main weibo.com. Is this a security setting for that post?

Probably not a security setting but just how the website functions. Been in a couple different sites where they have an m. and sometimes that version is randomly broken whereas the main works perfectly.
 

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ive been thinking a lot about this map and the recent Russian strategy at Bakhmut and how a potential Chinese strategy could play out, it would make sense fo china to lure the Americans who are navy heavy into a kill zone in the SCS and Taiwan without venturing out beyond the first island chain whilst maintaining its overland supply chains
 

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ive been thinking a lot about this map and the recent Russian strategy at Bakhmut and how a potential Chinese strategy could play out, it would make sense fo china to lure the Americans who are navy heavy into a kill zone in the SCS and Taiwan without venturing out beyond the first island chain whilst maintaining its overland supply chains
I have a lot of problems with the argument on that tweet.

1- China does plan and would benefit from being able to sink USN ships beyond 1000 miles. Huludao shipyard wasn't built for no reason. The current surface combatants aren't large ships for looks. H-20 and aircraft carrier programs aren't prestige programs. Even limited striking capacity to CONUS bases would force the US to disperse forces, invest in air defense and allocate much more assets to the East Pacific in a conflict. Resources to do this has to come from somewhere. In real world, that somewhere is combat capacity in the West Pacific. Even without that, expanding effective subsurface and air operations to the second island chain would have huge implications.

2- Coast based missiles are something shouldn't be stressed much. It is just a part of the equation nowadays. The real threat to USN became the H-6 fleet recently.

3- This kind of thinking about the BRI is why we hear all the id*otic arguments by think tankers. BRI is an economic project. It started as a project to export Chinese construction capacity and boost the economic growth in the developing world. It is not about debt traps, politics or military. If the aim is blockade breaking, China would be better off spending those trillions to more ships. Those ships wouldn't return economic benefits, but wouldn't take multiple decades to build either. And they would be certain solution.
 

ansy1968

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I have a lot of problems with the argument on that tweet.

1- China does plan and would benefit from being able to sink USN ships beyond 1000 miles. Huludao shipyard wasn't built for no reason. The current surface combatants aren't large ships for looks. H-20 and aircraft carrier programs aren't prestige programs. Even limited striking capacity to CONUS bases would force the US to disperse forces, invest in air defense and allocate much more assets to the East Pacific in a conflict. Resources to do this has to come from somewhere. In real world, that somewhere is combat capacity in the West Pacific. Even without that, expanding effective subsurface and air operations to the second island chain would have huge implications.

2- Coast based missiles are something shouldn't be stressed much. It is just a part of the equation nowadays. The real threat to USN became the H-6 fleet recently.
Sir I welcome an arm race with the Collective West, China can learn a thing or two from the Americans with the investment she can recouped the expense by selling to other nation being threatened or bullied. A side benefit of increasing its influence or SOFT POWER.
3- This kind of thinking about the BRI is why we hear all the id*otic arguments by think tankers. BRI is an economic project. It started as a project to export Chinese construction capacity and boost the economic growth in the developing world. It is not about debt traps, politics or military. If the aim is blockade breaking, China would be better off spending those trillions to more ships. Those ships wouldn't return economic benefits, but wouldn't take multiple decades to build either. And they would be certain solution.
Sir the Chinese offer an alternative as my brother @horse use to say with passion "show us the money"!!!;)
 

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The rumor cycle is complete, Taiwan Pan Blue media->Weibo->Youtube->SDF->Weibo. Is Twitter or Reddit next? I genuinely feel bad for being a part of it :(. But I think it is reasonable to assume China will escalate the denial of supplies to BRP Sierra Madre in the near future, even if the piece of trash isn't towed immediately on the 15th.
 

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From that same user discussion the Paracel island reclamation project
quite interesting.
云兔焦点新闻核实6.10-西沙填岛进行时基本确认

外媒一周前报道:兔子正在将南海宣德群岛北部的12个小礁石岛全部进行填充(如图1-3)

查了下marinetraffic,上面的白线是宣德群岛,图中的点代表船只信号,不同颜色代表不同的船只类型。
再通过不同信源分析,西沙大规模填岛鉴定为真。(不是一眼丁真
[二哈]


✨✨冷知识:国家很少宣传我们西沙填岛情况,事实上赵述岛(记住这个名字)及西沙洲、北岛,过去9年多来进行了大量填海造陆工作,且至少收获了以下结晶:
空军长跑道机场+1,陆航直升机机场+1,码头+n,泊位+n,雷达站+n,反舰阵地+n,歼11bh/歼16+6,空警500+1,运8/9+n。

另外永兴岛大规模扩建已告一段落,与石岛已连接。
补充:我们大规模南海填岛是在2013年起开始,标志时间是2012年黄岩岛对峙
And it talks about Woody Island and Rock island being connected, but that seems like a few years ago maybe.

This Amphitrite Group reclamation seems to be new.

Of all the things discussed, this seems to have actually value in a conflict. Of course, Spratley island bases still have more value

You can never really have enough bases there. They have now basically more asset/base they can deploy that's 300km away from south part of Hainan and about 700 km away from Spratley.
 
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