China's SCS Strategy Thread

[ansy1968]

GT warns Philippines military not to hype up the fishing boat issue (this is not something new, but becomes hot potato due to incoming presidential election) , else China will make a strong response.

@KenC bro, have you heard any news coming from Duterte itself? nada like you said its all politics. From my previous post Biden administration had a beef against him, the Obama SOB remarks is not forgotten. They will be intervening in this presidential election and the only way to win is thru a coup d'etat. But he hold the loyalty of the majority AFP rank and file, only those retired and some high ranking official who has political ambition are the one complaining. That photo release came from American P8 and coincide with the arrival of the Chinese vaccine, they need an issue to stay relevant cause as an opposition party they're pathetic.

But I need to advise Beijing to be cautious though and not cross the line, any trouble in the SCS will lent to the narrative of China threat and may lead to the rejuvenation of QUAD plus ASEAN.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

@KenC bro, have you heard any news coming from Duterte itself? nada like you said its all politics. From my previous post Biden administration had a beef against him, the Obama SOB remarks is not forgotten. They will be intervening in this presidential election and the only way to win is thru a coup d'etat. But he hold the loyalty of the majority AFP rank and file, only those retired and some high ranking official who has political ambition are the one complaining. That photo release came from American P8 and coincide with the arrival of the Chinese vaccine, they need an issue to stay relevant cause as an opposition party they're pathetic.

But I need to advise Beijing to be cautious though and not cross the line, any trouble in the SCS will lent to the narrative of China threat and may lead to the rejuvenation of QUAD plus ASEAN.

But it's the more reason that Duterte allows his daughter to become a candidate for the presidency otherwise his definitive statement of not wanting his daughter to run has basically allowed all the monkeys in the Philippines to make hay and are doing everything they can just to jockey for attention and relevancy. Just look at Mayor Moreno, because of he's past life as an actor the guy knows how to read the tea leaves and is playing his part well for the camera and for the unwitting Filipino public to pretty much lap it all up like the wickers that they are.

 

[ansy1968]

But it's the more reason that Duterte allows his daughter to become a candidate for the presidency otherwise his definitive statement of not wanting his daughter to run has basically allowed all the monkeys in the Philippines to make hay and are doing everything they can just to jockey for attention and relevancy.

@Bellum_Romanum she is to young, there is a stupid clause written in our constitution that after serving as President , you're not allow to run or hold any gov't position or practiced law if your a lawyer (cause it may influence the outcome). Where will she get her income to feed her family after serving her term, (if she decided to run) the basic salary of a President is $4,000 per month, yup you heard that right, that is why the Presidency is ripe for corruption, spending huge amount to be elect just to received a simple stipends. It is here were the oligarch knew how to grease the wheel so to speak. I think she will run in 2028 presidential election banking on her father achievement after all whoever succeed Duterte will have a hard time matching his performance, the hard work, the investment and hard decision that had been made. Those projects and improvements will be credited to him instead of them, so there is no downside to wait for the next election cycle.

Just look at Mayor Moreno, because of he's past life as an actor the guy knows how to read the tea leaves and is playing his part well for the camera and for the unwitting Filipino public to pretty much lap it all up like the wickers that they are.

Bro you reading to much about Isko Moreno, he is good only to his local municipality and nation wide he is unknown. Anything he does is an improvement shows you how incompetent the previous mayor is, the bar is set so low. Basic governance is non existence, that is how Joseph Estrada (former actor and discredit former President) use his name and fame for higher office. This coming election we had wisen up and will be electing leaders based on meritocracy, that is one of Duterte lasting legacy.

 

[Jono]

@KenC bro, have you heard any news coming from Duterte itself? nada like you said its all politics. From my previous post Biden administration had a beef against him, the Obama SOB remarks is not forgotten. They will be intervening in this presidential election and the only way to win is thru a coup d'etat. But he hold the loyalty of the majority AFP rank and file, only those retired and some high ranking official who has political ambition are the one complaining. That photo release came from American P8 and coincide with the arrival of the Chinese vaccine, they need an issue to stay relevant cause as an opposition party they're pathetic.

But I need to advise Beijing to be cautious though and not cross the line, any trouble in the SCS will lent to the narrative of China threat and may lead to the rejuvenation of QUAD plus ASEAN.

Big countries should not bully small ones, but
small countries should also refrain from provoking the Big ones.
can't expect the Dragon to stay patient even when poked in the eyes, can you? After all, there is only so much patience and good will from your giant neighbour, so choose and act wisely, people of the Philippines.
Can China live well and happily without the Philippines ? Most likely.
Can the Philippines live well and happily without China ? It depends......
that's one major problem with democracy in a developing country; the short-sighted politicians can sell their country ( and wives too if the price is right ) for self gains.

 

[ansy1968]

Big countries should not bully small ones, but
small countries should also refrain from provoking the Big ones.
can't expect the Dragon to stay patient even when poked in the eyes, can you? After all, there is only so much patience and good will from your giant neighbour, so choose and act wisely, people of the Philippines.
Can China live well and happily without the Philippines ? Most likely.
Can the Philippines live well and happily without China ? It depends......
that's one major problem with democracy in a developing country; the short-sighted politicians can sell their country ( and wives too if the price is right ) for self gains.

@Jono hear you loud and clear bro, but China had shown restrain is a good strategy, there is a shift in geopolitics and country affected need time to adjust to the new reality, the next generation will be the one deciding so the present need to set a peaceful framework for them to decide. China need to work her diplomatic skill and use her economic strength to her advantage (RCEP is one) and all these ruckus is just that noises, the US need her vassal to stay loyal, creating trouble is one way of pulling the leash.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

@Bellum_Romanum she is to young, there is a stupid clause written in our constitution that after serving as President , you're not allow to run or hold any gov't position or practiced law if your a lawyer (cause it may influence the outcome). Where will she get her income to feed her family after serving her term, (if she decided to run) the basic salary of a President is $4,000 per month, yup you heard that right, that is why the Presidency is ripe for corruption, spending huge amount to be elect just to received a simple stipends. It is here were the oligarch knew how to grease the wheel so to speak. I think she will run in 2028 presidential election banking on her father achievement after all whoever succeed Duterte will have a hard time matching his performance, the hard work, the investment and hard decision that had been made. Those projects and improvements will be credited to him instead of them, so there is no downside to wait for the next election cycle.

Bro you reading to much about Isko Moreno, he is good only to his local municipality and nation wide he is unknown. Anything he does is an improvement shows you how incompetent the previous mayor is, the bar is set so low. Basic governance is non existence, that is how Joseph Estrada (former actor and discredit former President) use his name and fame for higher office. This coming election we had wisen up and will be electing leaders based on meritocracy, that is one of Duterte lasting legacy.

I hope you're right with respect to your assessment of Mayor Moreno. However, I don't think your country can afford to have another 6 years of having once again another useless and incompetent U.S. puppet of a President. I mean what would happen to the RCEP that still need to be ratified in your country's congress/senate along with the myriad of projects that Pres. Duterte has work so hard to achieve only to be stymied or stop by the incoming ghouls. It'll go back to square one which will not provide any confidence to any foreign investors let alone to China. It's like having a house being build and rebuild every now and again, ballooning up the cost, extending the length of the work until nothing gets f..ng done.

I wish China would amend their stance of no interference because of situations like in the Philippines and others within the ASEAN countries. There's practically no incentive for any viable politicians vying for the highest office in their respective countries in maintaining allegiance to China since they can actually gain votes by bashing China and blaming the country for all the ills that happen and about to happen to their countries. Whereas with the U.S. most of these politicians are scared or coerced into toeing the U.S. line or interest since the U.S. isn't f..ng around with ensuring their pawns and puppets don't step out of line. Financial sanctions (Magnitsky Act) threat of coup, and color revolutions can and will make them bend the knee. Not to mention that most of the military personnel in ASEAN countries have been educated or received their education in U.S. Military academies (West Point, Annapolis) as the case with the Philippine military hierchy hence their pro-America stance. And the fact that the Philippine National Intelligence or security apparatus has more than likely been infiltrated by U.S. Intelligence since forever.

If China keeps on this non interference policy the U.S. along with it's western allies will keep exploiting this lofty, idealistic, but self-defeating exercise. I hope am wrong on this amateurish assumptions but it's simply my observation that China always play and react to the events rather than being pro-active and pushing it's narrative within it's own sphere of influence or A.O.R. just my 2 cents.

 

[Jono]

I hope you're right with respect to your assessment of Mayor Moreno. However, I don't think your country can afford to have another 6 years of having once again another useless and incompetent U.S. puppet of a President. I mean what would happen to the RCEP that still need to be ratified in your country's congress/senate along with the myriad of projects that Pres. Duterte has work so hard to achieve only to be stymied or stop by the incoming ghouls. It'll go back to square one which will not provide any confidence to any foreign investors let alone to China. It's like having a house being build and rebuild every now and again, ballooning up the cost, extending the length of the work until nothing gets f..ng done.

I wish China would amend their stance of no interference because of situations like in the Philippines and others within the ASEAN countries. There's practically no incentive for any viable politicians vying for the highest office in their respective countries in maintaining allegiance to China since they can actually gain votes by bashing China and blaming the country for all the ills that happen and about to happen to their countries. Whereas with the U.S. most of these politicians are scared or coerced into toeing the U.S. line or interest since the U.S. isn't f..ng around with ensuring their pawns and puppets don't step out of line. Financial sanctions (Magnitsky Act) threat of coup, and color revolutions can and will make them bend the knee. Not to mention that most of the military personnel in ASEAN countries have been educated or received their education in U.S. Military academies (West Point, Annapolis) as the case with the Philippine military hierchy hence their pro-America stance. And the fact that the Philippine National Intelligence or security apparatus has more than likely been infiltrated by U.S. Intelligence since forever.

If China keeps on this non interference policy the U.S. along with it's western allies will keep exploiting this lofty, idealistic, but self-defeating exercise. I hope am wrong on this amateurish assumptions but it's simply my observation that China always play and react to the events rather than being pro-active and pushing it's narrative within it's own sphere of influence or A.O.R. just my 2 cents.

I think the non interference policy has served China's interests well in the past, and probably some more time into the future as well.
look at America, quick fixes by short-sighted American interventions every where in the world have generated immense ill will towards it by global citizens outside of North America. Result is gradual decline of American soft power and influence.

 

[ansy1968]

I think the non interference policy has served China's interests well in the past, and probably some more time into the future as well.
look at America, quick fixes by short-sighted American interventions every where in the world have generated immense ill will towards it by global citizens outside of North America. Result is gradual decline of American soft power and influence.

@Jono bro agree, with Asian being attack in the state that is a huge dent. There is a lot of Filipinos living in the US, some illegally others had obtain their green cards, these attacks had shaken their belief in American democracy. A lot of my relatives from the states want to come back what more so with other FilAms with them they will tell their horrific experience here and that is a huge propaganda win for China . So all in all if China follow thru her principle all she gonna do is restraint herself and let the US self destruct. There is a huge online debate about what course of action the Philippine should take and Duterte independent foreign policy is being viewed as favorable. It is the reason why his popularity remain so high.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

I think the non interference policy has served China's interests well in the past, and probably some more time into the future as well.
look at America, quick fixes by short-sighted American interventions every where in the world have generated immense ill will towards it by global citizens outside of North America. Result is gradual decline of American soft power and influence.

I am not advocating for China to blatantly interference or do regime change ala the American or western ways of doing things not at all. What am saying is that when it comes to their strategic projects which involves huge amount of investment time and money, China should make it known to the slimey politicians that it will not accept any machinations or be used as a political football to be used or played for their respective domestic sheeps. Even if the projects are done and made the psychological impact to the people are still going to be heavily biased against China. So in the end the money spent for development is not sufficient enough to make a lasting positive impact for China's soft power image.

There must be some mechanism for China where it can use to deter would be politicians to damage and bring disrepute to Chinese led investments and projects. Otherwise the asymmetrical battle the U.S. is engaged against Chinese investments will be more costly for China and will not bring whatever benefit that it thinks it will get. Facts and data don't work in actual persuasion to people that are easily manipulated through the exploitation of their bias. It's a battle of perception and China's current perceived power and standing isn't that strong nor it's influence that deep amongst the ASEAN countries. These countries only grudgingly accept China because of it's sheer economic power but no one is itching and aching to leave their countries dreaming of living or visiting China as their favorite destination, that place and ideals still belongs to the west whether we like it or not.

 

[ansy1968]

I hope you're right with respect to your assessment of Mayor Moreno. However, I don't think your country can afford to have another 6 years of having once again another useless and incompetent U.S. puppet of a President. I mean what would happen to the RCEP that still need to be ratified in your country's congress/senate along with the myriad of projects that Pres. Duterte has work so hard to achieve only to be stymied or stop by the incoming ghouls. It'll go back to square one which will not provide any confidence to any foreign investors let alone to China. It's like having a house being build and rebuild every now and again, ballooning up the cost, extending the length of the work until nothing gets f..ng done.

Trust me bro, in only 3 years as mayor, he will be eaten alive by other more experience politician....hehehe. He is popular cause Manila is our capital and is a media center, but in Visayas and Mindanao he is unknown. And bro our politics is dictated by regions, if your running mate is from Mindanao that region will carry your vote and both Visayas and Mindanao are solid Duterte territory. He will find it hard to raise fund to campaign there, so Duterte hold the key and everybody want to have his blessing and he is holding his card close to his chest so not to be rendered as a lame duck president.

I wish China would amend their stance of no interference because of situations like in the Philippines and others within the ASEAN countries. There's practically no incentive for any viable politicians vying for the highest office in their respective countries in maintaining allegiance to China since they can actually gain votes by bashing China and blaming the country for all the ills that happen and about to happen to their countries. Whereas with the U.S. most of these politicians are scared or coerced into toeing the U.S. line or interest since the U.S. isn't f..ng around with ensuring their pawns and puppets don't step out of line. Financial sanctions (Magnitsky Act) threat of coup, and color revolutions can and will make them bend the knee. Not to mention that most of the military personnel in ASEAN countries have been educated or received their education in U.S. Military academies (West Point, Annapolis) as the case with the Philippine military hierchy hence their pro-America stance. And the fact that the Philippine National Intelligence or security apparatus has more than likely been infiltrated by U.S. Intelligence since forever.

If China keeps on this non interference policy the U.S. along with it's western allies will keep exploiting this lofty, idealistic, but self-defeating exercise. I hope am wrong on this amateurish assumptions but it's simply my observation that China always play and react to the events rather than being pro-active and pushing it's narrative within it's own sphere of influence or A.O.R. just my 2 cents.

Bro, China selling point is that she never invaded nor colonized its neighbor during her heydays as a super power. That is her calling card that the west want to destroy, why give them the satisfaction. With geopolitical shift time is on China side, being open and receptive is the right strategy, people need to decide rationally and China should respect that and give an alternative choice.