China's SCS Strategy Thread


Gatekeeper

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Firstly I thought china was not trying to overtake the US or take it's place but china's actions seem to speak otherwise. China seems to be saying if we don't attack first we will be attacked. But for at least a decade china has been very aggressive in it's area and other countries will testify. Like claiming water closer to another nation than your own. That is not a defensive action. Unless china takes over the whole world there will always be "someone with a machine gun" next door. Also China isn't exactly a small lightly defended country so this idea that they are scared of japan or some small US bases compared to china seems odd. Nobody was stopping the chinese from shipping lanes or from exploiting eez territorial waters. But for some reason that was not good enough for china.

Why do you think it's been so easy for the US to build what's turning into an asian nato? China has made that too easy. The chinese used to be biding their time but they have been like hitler invading russia lately. This adventure is turning the world against china and outing it's true intentions, I was more intimidated by china when they were more shrewd. Now it seems they are acting desperate if anything. SCS isn't the only place this sort of thing is happening but it's the most prominent. China grew accustomed to an America and world that ignored what they were doing and now that things have changed they don't seem to be coping well. Others weren't going to be stupid forever. Now that the cat is largely out of the bag china seems to be continuing on. Seems like china can back off and try to get others guard down and continue world conquest plans in a more slow gradual stealth fashion or keep getting bellicose and get bottled up. Another way to put it is china has played cold warrior for decades and the US and to a lesser extent the west has just started recently.

All this to say or ask what is china's plan here? Do they think they can push this coalition around essentially by itself? Maybe before this coaltion formed and some years ago this plan might have made sense but things have changed a lot the last 4 years and trends if anything have reversed. And playing with major war for what? Your analogy was an unarmed civilain surrounded by heavily armed people but 2000-2010 china was not in danger from neighbors that I could recall. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
This could easily be the daily mail. Express or the guardian tabloid in the UK. So much twisting and fact bending, one wouldn't know where to begin to dissect this trip.
 

Gatekeeper

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How is starting ww3 over some territory that is closer to other countries than you in anybodies interest?
As to the natives they were an inferior culture and don't really resist, many serve in our military.

Lol. Starting a WW3 over territory closer to other countries. Mmmmmmm and you said it without a hint of irony! Let's see, remind me how far away the US is to the ADS again?

And as the second part about natives gave inferior culture. Wow, the racism is strong in this one! Enough said.
 

Gatekeeper

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What America's gaff are you referring to? Are you going to pretend it didn't originate in wuhan and that china didn't let people fly all over the world spreading it?
Let people fly all over the world. That's a Trump line I heard so many time. So basically you are a devotee of Trump. But didn't Donald boasted he shut down flights early to stop the spread?

And didn't the European countries "rescued" their citizens by flying them all back with much fanfare to all the news media's to report how magnificent they care for their citizens?

My, you really have such short memories. And then try to have you cake and eat it.

You really can't have it both ways.
 

nugroho

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Firstly I thought china was not trying to overtake the US or take it's place but china's actions seem to speak otherwise. China seems to be saying if we don't attack first we will be attacked. But for at least a decade china has been very aggressive in it's area and other countries will testify. Like claiming water closer to another nation than your own. That is not a defensive action. Unless china takes over the whole world there will always be "someone with a machine gun" next door. Also China isn't exactly a small lightly defended country so this idea that they are scared of japan or some small US bases compared to china seems odd. Nobody was stopping the chinese from shipping lanes or from exploiting eez territorial waters. But for some reason that was not good enough for china.

Why do you think it's been so easy for the US to build what's turning into an asian nato? China has made that too easy. The chinese used to be biding their time but they have been like hitler invading russia lately. This adventure is turning the world against china and outing it's true intentions, I was more intimidated by china when they were more shrewd. Now it seems they are acting desperate if anything. SCS isn't the only place this sort of thing is happening but it's the most prominent. China grew accustomed to an America and world that ignored what they were doing and now that things have changed they don't seem to be coping well. Others weren't going to be stupid forever. Now that the cat is largely out of the bag china seems to be continuing on. Seems like china can back off and try to get others guard down and continue world conquest plans in a more slow gradual stealth fashion or keep getting bellicose and get bottled up. Another way to put it is china has played cold warrior for decades and the US and to a lesser extent the west has just started recently.

All this to say or ask what is china's plan here? Do they think they can push this coalition around essentially by itself? Maybe before this coaltion formed and some years ago this plan might have made sense but things have changed a lot the last 4 years and trends if anything have reversed. And playing with major war for what? Your analogy was an unarmed civilain surrounded by heavily armed people but 2000-2010 china was not in danger from neighbors that I could recall. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
Do you know why ZTE is beaten badly? Because China has no preparation of tech sanction. And if US use " sea sanction " blockading SCS and China did not have any preparation, almost all China line of trade via sea will be cut.
Never think "weak China " will be spared by the west. Remember what they did to Qing ?
 

Mr T

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And if US use " sea sanction " blockading SCS and China did not have any preparation, almost all China line of trade via sea will be cut.
What happens if the US blockades the Malacca Strait? China would be in just as bad a position. Does this mean we can expect China to start occuping islands off the coast of Malaysia next?

Never think "weak China " will be spared by the west. Remember what they did to Qing ?
Making modern defence plans on the basis of events more than a century ago is pretty boneheaded. Everyone's been attacked by someone in the past, so should we all be assuming our neighbours are going to attack in the future? China isn't the only country that has ships going through that area. Putting aside ASEAN states, Taiwan, Korea and Japan are also reliant on those shipping lanes. Would China like it if they established some military bases on neighbouring islets? No, it wouldn't. But they'd only be following the same principles as Beijing.

Also, you're conveniently forgetting that for the past 30 years the US and the rest of the developed world have been investing heavily in China, and that doesn't even account for the Cold War era of seeking good relations with Beijing. Why on earth would the US and others wait until China had got to this stage of modernising its military to attack? They wouldn't, they would have sought to blockade China in 1990 or 2000.

What you're really hinting at is that in the future China might take aggressive action against some of its neighbours that might lead to a US-led group of countries putting economic pressure on Beijing, not just via sanctions but also maybe by stopping its ships in international waters. That would be a threat to China but also due to a situation of its own making.
 

ZeEa5KPul

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What happens if the US blockades the Malacca Strait? China would be in just as bad a position. Does this mean we can expect China to start occuping islands off the coast of Malaysia next?
No, but you can expect China to set up naval bases in the region, which the relevant countries will be thrilled to host to curry favour with the new (rather, returning) hegemon.
Would China like it if they established some military bases on neighbouring islets? No, it wouldn't.
That's a moot point since China will never have to endure any such thing because its neighbouring countries are too weak to impose any costs on it.
But they'd only be following the same principles as Beijing.
The only principle is that the strong do as they please and the weak suffer as they must.
What you're really hinting at is that in the future China might take aggressive action against some of its neighbours that might lead to a US-led group of countries putting economic pressure on Beijing, not just via sanctions but also maybe by stopping its ships in international waters. That would be a threat to China but also due to a situation of its own making.
Bottom line: China's development and militarization are inevitable and unstoppable. In the future, China will take aggressive action if its efforts at reunifying its territory are opposed, and any US-led group of countries who attempt to blockade it will have their navies destroyed.

Remove any notion that the West can do anything to shape or influence China's power and behaviour from your head, or you'll have a very rough time of it going forward.
 

Mr T

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Remove any notion that the West can do anything to shape or influence China's power and behaviour from your head, or you'll have a very rough time of it going forward.
Why, are you going to bundle me into a black van at night and disappear me to China where I can be put on trial for "hurting the feelings of 1.4 billion people"?

I honestly find it sad that you take a view that the strong are justified in doing what they want and everyone else gets pushed around. That's classic bully talk, plus it justifies China's treatment when it suffered defeats or atrocities in the past. Your ancestors must be spinning in their graves.
 
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