China's SCS Strategy Thread


Rettam Stacf

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British and US media are deceptive in their narration, Try a local press.

PH suspends abrogation of VFA for 6 months

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Looks to me one of those negotiation strategy that Kim of N Korea (with the US), Mahathir of Malaysia (with Singapore and China) and Duterte of Philippines (with the US and China) so often use.
 

Dolcevita

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Typical MSM cunning manipulation of news to suit their narratives. Damn, I must be getting old. I should've known better!
As with the many trolls here, MSM have even more dishonest players manufacturing false narratives based on selective evidence. That is why we need to be constantly aware of who they are, what their motives are, which media organization they use to propagate these falsehood. As I've noted previously, some do not even identify themselves to lend credibility and yet is taken by MSM as factual reporting.

Gullible people will always be gullible and cannot be helped. At least the members of this forum are more critical than the general public.

Looks to me one of those negotiation strategy that Kim of N Korea (with the US), Mahathir of Malaysia (with Singapore and China) and Duterte of Philippines (with the US and China) so often use.
Duterte does what he thinks is best for his country and countrymen. Nothing wrong with that. Now he has additional leverage against the US for 6 more months.
 

Gatekeeper

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As with the many trolls here, MSM have even more dishonest players manufacturing false narratives based on selective evidence. That is why we need to be constantly aware of who they are, what their motives are, which media organization they use to propagate these falsehood. As I've noted previously, some do not even identify themselves to lend credibility and yet is taken by MSM as factual reporting.

Gullible people will always be gullible and cannot be helped. At least the members of this forum are more critical than the general public.



Duterte does what he thinks is best for his country and countrymen. Nothing wrong with that. Now he has additional leverage against the US for 6 more months.
Yes you have to be so vigilant. It's like on Twitter, one of the devoted Trump's followers is a Dr Dawn Michael PhD. Impressive CV./resume .
Alas no, it transpire her PhD is not accredited! Basically bought off the shelf.

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Hendrik_2000

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Now this is interesting The International Arbiter in Den Haag is private arbiter with no association with united nation or any other international legal body But ICC is part of United Nation and a recoqnized International legal body Yet the western MSM has been spreading lie and confuse the 2 and spread the porpaganda as if China defies international ruling which is not the case at all. ARbiter is private body to settle dispute if both parties agree on and china refuse to participate so it has no legal power at all.
But ICC ruling is binding and see what happened if the shoes is on the other foot, via broadsword
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Barr: Russia may be 'manipulating' the International Criminal Court
by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter | | June 11, 2020 07:11 PM

The United States authorized sanctions against the leaders of the International Criminal Court, accusing the group of improper politicized targeting of Israel and of U.S. troops in Afghanistan and claiming it is corrupt and manipulated by U.S. foes.

President Trump signed an executive order dated Thursday proclaiming that “any attempt by the ICC to investigate, arrest, detain, or prosecute any United States personnel without the consent of the United States … constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.”

Attorney General William Barr, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and national security adviser Robert O’Brien held a press conference Thursday to announce that the U.S. rejected the “kangaroo court” and denied the legitimacy of its “politically motivated” investigations into the U.S. and Israel. They claimed the ICC was undermining U.S. foreign policy through malign influence by U.S. adversaries, placing the focus on Russia.

Although much of recent foreign policy focus in recent months has been on the Chinese Communist Party, a persistent source of concern for the U.S. government has been Russia. The U.S. intelligence community concluded the Kremlin attempted to undermine U.S. elections in 2016 and 2018, and the Trump administration's National Counterintelligence Strategy warned that "Russia remains a significant intelligence threat to United States interests."

The U.S. officials pointed out Thursday that the U.S. is not a signatory of the Rome Statute, the international treaty adopted in 1998 creating The Hague-based ICC. Earlier this year, the ICC opened an investigation into “alleged crimes against humanity and war crimes committed in Afghanistan” and another into “alleged crimes committed in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem."

“The ICC’s recent decision to authorize an investigation into the conduct of U.S. personnel who were fighting to defeat terrorists in Afghanistan and bring peace and prosperity to the Afghan people validates our longstanding concerns about the ICC,” Barr said. “This institution has become, in practice, little more than a political tool employed by unaccountable international elites. These people wield this tool to manipulate and undercut the foreign policies of a democratically accountable sovereign nation.”
 

Hendrik_2000

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Now this could be fibre optic undersea cable or Sossus
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China Works On Undersea Cables Between Paracel Island Outposts

By Drake Long 2020-06-08

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Map showing the path of the Tian Yi Hai Gong, a Chinese ship that appears to be laying undersea cables between Chinese-occupied features in the Paracel Islands.


A Chinese ship appears to be laying undersea cables between Chinese outposts in the disputed Paracel Islands, vessel tracking software and satellite imagery shows. Experts say the cables will likely have military uses and could potentially strengthen China’s ability to detect submarines.
The cable ship began operations in the area nearly two weeks ago after departing from a shipyard in Shanghai. If the expert assessment of the intention is correct it could signal another step by China to militarize the South China Sea.

RFA and BenarNews spotted the activity when viewing high-resolution commercial satellite imagery of the Paracels, which are also claimed by Vietnam and Taiwan. Three U.S.-based maritime experts who have viewed the imagery agreed that the ship was doing something related to undersea cables, although exactly what is unclear from the imagery. It could be laying new cable, or repairing or upgrading existing cable, although none of the experts were aware of an existing cable network in the spots the ship is operating in.

Vessel tracking software shows the Chinese ship Tian Yi Hai Gong sailed to the Paracels on May 28. The imagery appears to show it laying cables between at least three different Chinese-occupied features: Tree Island, North Island and China’s main base in the Paracels, Woody Island.

The ship sailed southwest on June 5, visiting Drummond Island, Yagong Island and Observation Bank. As of Monday morning, it was operating on the northeast side of Observation Bank. It’s not clear if the Tian Yi Hai Gong has been laying cables at those features too, but its pattern of movement is similar to at the other features. All of the features host small, remote outposts for China and its military.

The last known instance of China laying underwater cables in the area was reported by Reuters in 2016, connecting the city and military base at Woody Island to the island of Hainan, China’s southernmost province off the coast of the mainland.
While it isn’t clear from the imagery what the function of new undersea cables would be in the Paracels, two of the experts told RFA that fiber optic connections between such Chinese-occupied features are likely meant for military purposes.


James Kraska, a professor at the U.S. Naval War College, said they are probably for encrypted military communications between China’s various outposts, and will connect to the hardened undersea cable system already built along China’s east coast.
“The other thing that they could be doing is that they’ve got a SOSUS-type of network, an underwater sound surveillance system, to listen for adversary submarines,” he said. “So it could be passive listening for surface ships or submarines coming into the area.”

SOSUS refers to a passive system of sonars the U.S. Navy uses to track undersea activity. China has long planned a listening network inspired by this system for use in the East and South China Seas. The state media reported in 2017 that the government has invested in research and development in undersea observation centers.

Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, a Washington-based think tank, also suspects that the cables could be for undersea surveillance.
“A sonar system would be important north of Woody Island because the PLAN’s South Sea Fleet submarine base is on Hainan Island at Yulin,” he said.
Yulin, according to Clark, is one of the most sophisticated bases for the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), replete with underground tunnels and maintenance pens for the PLAN’s growing number of nuclear submarines. It is located on the southern tip of Hainan Island.

“A seabed sonar between Woody Island and Hainan Island would help find U.S. submarines that might be coming to spy on the base or its submarines in peacetime, or that may attack PLAN submarines during wartime,” Clark said. He also said such an array would be useful for ensuring PLAN submarines aren’t being followed as they leave their home base.
U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, which is based in Hawaii, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Monday.

There is no record of the Tian Yi Hai Gong’s operator in the International Maritime Organization’s database, save for information that it was built in early 2020 and flagged by China. There is similarly no record of it with the International Cable Protection Committee, a U.K.-based standards-setting and advocacy group for the submarine cable industry.

However, vessel tracking data shows it originally left from a shipyard in Shanghai on May 18. That same shipyard houses a different cable-layer, the Bold Maverick, which is owned and operated by S. B. Submarine Systems Co., Ltd. That company calls itself “China’s leading provider of subsea cable installation services and one of the key submarine cable installers in Asia” on its website.
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Satellite photo taken June 4 shows the Chinese cable ship Tian Yi Hai Gong just north of Tree Island, a Chinese-occupied feature in the Paracels that hosts a small military outpost and harbor. Credit: Planet Labs Inc.
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Multiple companies in China work in the undersea cable industry, and frequently partner with People’s Liberation Army research centers and national defense universities. China Telecom laid fiber optic cables between Fiery Cross Reef, Subi Reef, and Mischief Reef in the Spratlys in 2017, state media reported. Chen Ying-yu, a senior official at China Telecom and a representative to the National People’s Congress, called on China’s government to better expand, protect and strengthen its submarine cable network at the 20th National People’s Congress held in late May.

The People’s Liberation Army operates
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cable ships as well, launching the first in 2015.
Kraska did not think it mattered who was responsible for installing the cables, as it would be ultimately done at the behest of the Chinese government.

He said the transformation of remote Chinese outposts into a surveillance network was yet another indication of China entrenching its military presence on disputed rocks and reefs in the South China Sea, and seeking to control everything above and below them.
“This is further solidifying their ability to control what’s going on in what they define as the ‘near seas’,” Kraska said.

China claims virtually all of the South China Sea, including waters, islands and reefs close to the coasts of Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam. China says it has “historic rights” for its sweeping claims, a stance unsupported by international law.
 

supercat

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Now this is interesting The International Arbiter in Den Haag is private arbiter with no association with united nation or any other international legal body But ICC is part of United Nation and a recoqnized International legal body Yet the western MSM has been spreading lie and confuse the 2 and spread the porpaganda as if China defies international ruling which is not the case at all. ARbiter is private body to settle dispute if both parties agree on and china refuse to participate so it has no legal power at all.
But ICC ruling is binding and see what happened if the shoes is on the other foot, via broadsword
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Barr: Russia may be 'manipulating' the International Criminal Court
by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter | | June 11, 2020 07:11 PM

The United States authorized sanctions against the leaders of the International Criminal Court, accusing the group of improper politicized targeting of Israel and of U.S. troops in Afghanistan and claiming it is corrupt and manipulated by U.S. foes.

President Trump signed an executive order dated Thursday proclaiming that “any attempt by the ICC to investigate, arrest, detain, or prosecute any United States personnel without the consent of the United States … constitutes an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.”

Attorney General William Barr, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Secretary of Defense Mark Esper, and national security adviser Robert O’Brien held a press conference Thursday to announce that the U.S. rejected the “kangaroo court” and denied the legitimacy of its “politically motivated” investigations into the U.S. and Israel. They claimed the ICC was undermining U.S. foreign policy through malign influence by U.S. adversaries, placing the focus on Russia.

Although much of recent foreign policy focus in recent months has been on the Chinese Communist Party, a persistent source of concern for the U.S. government has been Russia. The U.S. intelligence community concluded the Kremlin attempted to undermine U.S. elections in 2016 and 2018, and the Trump administration's National Counterintelligence Strategy warned that "Russia remains a significant intelligence threat to United States interests."

The U.S. officials pointed out Thursday that the U.S. is not a signatory of the Rome Statute, the international treaty adopted in 1998 creating The Hague-based ICC. Earlier this year, the ICC opened an investigation into “alleged crimes against humanity and war crimes committed in Afghanistan” and another into “alleged crimes committed in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem."

“The ICC’s recent decision to authorize an investigation into the conduct of U.S. personnel who were fighting to defeat terrorists in Afghanistan and bring peace and prosperity to the Afghan people validates our longstanding concerns about the ICC,” Barr said. “This institution has become, in practice, little more than a political tool employed by unaccountable international elites. These people wield this tool to manipulate and undercut the foreign policies of a democratically accountable sovereign nation.”
Oh, the irony!

ICC investigation of U.S. and Israel war crimes are long overdue. On the other hand:


Never mind the "Permanent Court of Arbitration" was a private court that 1. had nothing to do with U.N., 2. had its judges hand-picked by Philippines' so called "allies", and therefore was a real kangaroo court.
 
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ansy1968

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Oh, the irony!

ICC investigation of U.S. and Israel war crimes are long overdue. On the other hand:


Never mind the "Permanent Court of Arbitration" was a private court that 1. had nothing to do with U.N., 2. had its judges hand-picked by Philippines' so called "allies", and therefore was a real kangaroo court.
Hi SUPERCAT

The irony is we had to pay $$$$million for a piece of paper that INVALIDATE our claim, if you read the decision, SCARBOROUGH which is our primary fishing area are declared an open fishing spot that allow other countries such as VIETNAM a claimant the right to fish.

The media here is on a CHINA SCAREMONGERING to hide the fact that we are dupe by US, The idea for filling an ARBITRATION is to have the US and its allies the right to transit this vital sea lane and tie the PHILIPPINE for future US military basing.

We are being sold by the previous AQUINO administration as a cannon folder by the US in an event of a war with China, that's why they want to topple PRESIDENT DUTERTE , THE WHOLE PHILIPPINE INSTITUTION are control by them, thats how the US operates.

we only hope the next philippine president will be a NATIONALIST one like DUTERTE, but knowing my country, the hold of the oligarchy elites and instituion may god bless us all
 

ILikeChina

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What will China do if US will return to the subic bay naval base and redevelop it?

I think the minimum is to change Scarborough shoal into Scarborough Island. What are the other options?
 

ansy1968

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What will China do if US will return to the subic bay naval base and redevelop it?

I think the minimum is to change Scarborough shoal into Scarborough Island. What are the other options?
hi ILIKECHINA

There will be NO US BASES , because our constitution dont allow it, BUT THERE IS AN Agreement for a temporary deployment of US troops if our PRESIDENT REQUESTED IT, THAT IS WHAT VFA is for, formulate by the previous administration to counter CHINA, see the timing with the SOUTH CHINA SEA ARBITRATION RULING. THE MDT (MUTUAL DEFENSE TREATY) which is a treaty agreed during the cold war, is a one sided deal that obligated the philippine to assist the US in its overseas adventure, that is why we DEPLOY TROOPS IN KOREA, VIETNAM AND IRAQ. This treaty our president want to REVOKE, but it needs the concurrence of both the US and THE PHILIPPINE SENATE.


The major GEOPOLITICAL EVENT, is the US ELECTION this NOVEMBER and the PHILLIPINE ELECTION in 2022, whatever your opinion in DONALD TRUMP he is not a dire hard NEOCON or NEOLIBERAL, he can be a person you can bargain/reason with if THE PRICE IS RIGHT and also his a friend of PRESIDENT DUTERTE, That's why there is no COUP ATTEMPT or any destabilization, he gave us space for our president to implement his own INDEPENDENT FOREIGN POLICY. Remember the AMERICAN colonize us for 50 years, they are very influential in both economic, social and in our govt institution.

Now if BIDEN won, there will be trouble here, remember PRESIDENT DUTERTE call his highness PRESIDENT OBAMA a SOB, they will NOT forget the mockery, they will focus their attention to discredit our PRESIDENT thru various means and will select THEIR OWN CANDIDATE for the coming 2022 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

DUTERTE is verrryy effective president, he is love and supported by the masses both rich and poor, if you notice our country have a huge inequality gap but there are no major disturbance during COVID 19, we are united because we believe in him. The rich and the oligarch are grateful for him because there are NO RIOTS. Now if he is able to ANOINT a successor THAT IS A NATIONALIST, then there will be peace AND ALSO if TRUMP WON
 

Hendrik_2000

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Interesting China deploy demonstration communication fixed and mobile platform as building block for UGW.Excerpt
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Exploring China’s Unmanned Ocean Network
Published: June 16, 2020

China has deployed a network of sensors and communications capabilities between Hainan Island and the Paracel Islands in the northern South China Sea. These capabilities are part of a “Blue Ocean Information Network” (蓝海信息网络) developed by China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC), a state-owned company, to aid in the exploration and control of the maritime environment using information technology. The network constructed in the northern South China Sea between early 2016 and 2019 is referred to as a demonstration system. However, future plans for the Blue Ocean Information Network involve expanding the sensor and communications network to the rest of the South China Sea, the East China Sea, and other ocean areas far from Chinese territory. While the Blue Ocean Information Network is largely cast as an environmental monitoring and communications system, the military utility of its sensing and communications functions makes its development important to monitor.
The most visible elements of this network are two types of “Ocean E-Stations” dubbed “floating integrated information platforms” (IIFP) (浮台信息系统) and “island reef-based integrated information systems” (IRBIS) (岛礁信息系统). AMTI previously identified one of the latter systems after it was deployed to Bombay Reef in the Paracels in
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(Left) One of CETC’s floating Ocean E-Stations between Hainan and the Paracel Islands, February 7, 2019. (Right) A reef-based E-Station at Bombay Reef, April 28, 2020.
Chinese Fixed and Floating Platform Deployment
As of June 2020, CETC has deployed five floating platforms around Hainan and one fixed platform at Bombay Reef. An additional fixed platform remains at the company’s fabrication site on the coast of Hainan. CETC’s nearby headquarters also contains one atypical fixed platform, likely a prototype used for research and development.
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AMTI determined the deployment dates for each E-Station using satellite imagery from Planet and Maxar. By tracking when each platform departed CETC’s fabrication facility and then arrived at these locations, AMTI was able to confirm which is at each site. In March 2016, CETC deployed the first prototype floating platform, FT3001, 10 nautical miles off the east coast of Hainan. By early 2017, four floating platforms, FT3002 through FT3005, were under construction at CETC’s fabrication site. Each platform was lifted into the water by a floating crane before being towed away for installation. Maxar imagery from April 4, 2018 captured this process for FT3004.

CETC fabrication site, April 4, 2018
By late 2017, CETC was also constructing two of the reef-based fixed platforms. One was deployed to Bombay Reef in April 2018. The other remains at the fabrication site as of June 2, 2020.
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