China's SCS Strategy Thread

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
The lame stream Western media demonizes China not necessarily to support some nefarious Washington agenda, but because most are lazy lemmings wedded in group think, and Red China is a target-rich environment.

I'll admit US is pursuing its national interests, and The Pivot is latest visible thrust, supported by hosts of benign and malignant agencies and alliances, both visible and invisible to the public. But, what of it? That's what countries do, as they should. Great powers do it with bigger footprints. Nothing unusual about it.

China, on the other hand, isn't the "laissez-faire" entity you claim. Quite to the contrary. Like US and every other great power in history, China has and will continue to pursue their national interests with gusto. In the South China Sea, it will continue to divide ASEAN when it feels the need, with the short-term objective of having the strongest presence in the SCS, and medium-term objective of making SCS the Sino-Caribbean (just like the US did in the Greater Caribbean). The Red Dynasty's long-term objective is likely to leverage the Sino-Caribbean and establish a Sino-Monroe Doctrine, followed by ejecting the US from Asia. So, China is hardly laissez-faire in SCS & SE Asia; not yesterday, not today, and not tomorrow.

China was laissez-faire hundred of years before the colonial power come to Asia
Ryu Kyu, Malaca, Vietnam,Korea were china's vassal state. But it is misnomer because China doesn't not interfere in day to day government of the said state.

For the small price of acknowledgement of China's supremacy they are allowed to trade with China and get protection sometime to disastrous result.

Case in point Imjin war where China sacrifice a tremendous amount of man and material practically exhaust their treasury and resulting in higher tax and eventual demise of Ming dynasty. For that the Choson dynasty of korea erect memorial and performed ritual until the modern day of Japanese invasion
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"朝明联合军战殁慰灵碑"
This is a memorial stone in Sacheon city, South Korea.
on it write in Chinese character "in commemoration of joint-Choson-Ming army's effort in battle(during Imjin war)"

为怀念"遥远异域土地上,不归的恨客���那些明代盟邦民的深厚战友爱.特立此碑,以表对朝明联合军灵的祭奠."

inscription on the back of this commemorate stele,
in commemoration of "on faraway foreign soil,who will never return(to home land)--- the allied men from Ming dynasty, their friendship as brother in arms. So this stele is erected, to remember those Choson and Ming soldiers who had fallen"

there behind this stele, buried in the hill, are more than 3,6000 fallen Choson and Ming soldiers.

The establishment and enlargement of the Altar of Great Gratitude (Taebodan) was designed to offset the violation' and demonstrate visibly Chosŏn's fulfillment of its righteous obligations to the fallen Ming regardless of the circumstances. The 'post-Ming' Korean kings performed sacrifices for three Ming emperors, with emphasis on Ming Taizu, on the anniversaries of their deaths every year. These sacrifices were regularly performed even after Chosŏn opened up its ports to Western powers in the early 1880's, and continued until Seoul was occupied by the Japanese in the early phase of the Sino-Japanese War in 1894. This suggests that the majority of the Korean elites still lived spiritually under the imaginary Ming order, and thereby could not respond to the new order effectively.
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Janiz

Senior Member
The lame stream Western media demonizes China not necessarily to support some nefarious Washington agenda
Yeah, and Chinese media idealize 'West' (where most of you live BTW) and sing praises about it everyday. It might work though considering how much money Chinese citizens pump to the West every year though.

Please, cut this kind of conversation here as it went from SCS to Korean culture and now to 'bad old West' talks. Click the 'like' button under each other's posts and keep this thread informative like it used to be.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Yeah, and Chinese media idealize 'West' (where most of you live BTW) and sing praises about it everyday. It might work though considering how much money Chinese citizens pump to the West every year though.

Please, cut this kind of conversation from here as it went from SCS to Korean culture and now to 'bad old West' talks. Keep this thread informative like it used to be.

Which "Chinese media" CCTV or NDTV? We all know which one is the Western puppet, while the other one is giving them headaches and stressful anguish because it doesn't follow Western narrative norm (CCTV).o_O
 

weig2000

Captain
I had always spoken highly of Vietnam's cautious and balanced approach when it comes to deal with big powers, while lamented that Philippine appeared to be more emotional and hotheaded without her best national interest in mind. Well I guess it was a bit premature to judge Philippine. They have become smarter and Duterte is trying to strike a balance among the US, China and Russia to extract maximum benefits for Philippine. Meanwhile,

Vietnam says no to foreign military base on its soil

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| Thu Oct 13, 2016 | 6:32am EDT
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Vietnam's Prime Minister Nguyen Xuan Phuc reviews navy soldiers' honour guard during a welcoming ceremony at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing, China, September 12, 2016. REUTERS/Jason Lee


Vietnam said on Thursday it would not allow other countries to set up military bases there, just days after Russia said it was considering reopening Soviet-era bases in Vietnam and Cuba.

Russian news agencies last week quoted a Russian deputy defense minister as saying Russia was considering plans to restore the bases that had served as pivots for Soviet global military power during the Cold War.

"Vietnam's consistent policy is not to engage a military ally or engage with any country to oppose a third country," Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh told a news briefing.

"We will also not allow any other countries to set up a military base in Vietnam."

While pursuing a neutral foreign policy to befriend many countries and allowing port calls by foreign warships, Vietnam still bars any permanent presence by foreign military forces.

Russia, which inherits a long relationship with Vietnam, withdrew from the deepwater Cam Ranh naval base in the early 2000s as part of its drawing down of military presence around the world after the demise of the Soviet Union.

Cam Ranh is the jewel in the crown of Vietnam's military, with an air base once used by the U.S. and Soviet forces and a deep water bay home to its modern, Russian-built submarines.

Visits by foreign ships are rare and usually restricted to maintenance. U.S., Japanese and French warships have recently made port calls at Cam Ranh.

(Reporting by My Pham; Editing by Ho Binh Minh)
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Vietnam always wise.They did learn well from history.The Mongolian try to conquer Vietnam .But they failed Latter Qing try to do the same again failed. But instead poking an eye to the Qing.They submitted to Qing supremacy.
Knowing well wining a battle is not the same thing as wining a war

For that the Qing left them alone aside from token tribute and yearly audience with the Qing emperor

Although the Tây Sơn under Nguyễn Huệ won this battle, he eventually submitted himself as vassal of the
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annually. Battle of Ngọc Hồi-Đống Đa was considered one of the greatest military victories by Vietnamese people, but was also considered one of "
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shen

Senior Member
I had always spoken highly of Vietnam's cautious and balanced approach when it comes to deal with big powers, while lamented that Philippine appeared to be more emotional and hotheaded without her best national interest in mind. Well I guess it was a bit premature to judge Philippine. They have become smarter and Duterte is trying to strike a balance among the US, China and Russia to extract maximum benefits for Philippine. Meanwhile,

Vietnam says no to foreign military base on its soil

Curious that the article only mentioned on Russia. But the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is saying no the US as well.
I always had great admiration for Vietnam. Ideologically and by temperament, Vietnam is the closest country to China. And a worthy adversary in war.

First Philippines, now Vietnam declares neutrality. Another nail in the coffin for the Pivot.
 
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weig2000

Captain
Curious that the article only mentioned on Russia. But the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is saying no the US as well.
I always had great admiration for Vietnam. Ideologically and by temperament, Vietnam is the closest country to China. And a worthy adversary in war.

First Philippines, now Vietnam declares neutrality. Another nail in the coffin for the Pivot.

That's actually very smart move on the part of Vietnam. We know the US has been pushing Vietnam for closer military relationship as well as having interest in Cam Ranh. Now that Russia has expressed interest, Vietnam can come out and make a statement saying they're not allowing any countries to have military base on their soil. They could say (which is obviously implied) this policy is not directing against any one particular country. Russia can't be unhappy about that, the US can't complain because the statement is prompted by a Russia statement, while this statement/policy might as well be addressing China's concern: don't worry, we're not going to have any foreign military base against you.

So in one move, Vietnam has handled the situation skillfully without offending any of the big powers. The amazing thing is that Vietnam currently has reasonably good relationships with all three big powers: Russia has been selling weapons, the US lifting sanctions, while the Chinese doling out economic aids. Philippine must be envious of that...
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Yeah, and Chinese media idealize 'West' (where most of you live BTW) and sing praises about it everyday. It might work though considering how much money Chinese citizens pump to the West every year though.
Most Chinese live in the west? Really? Nice education system your country has.

Please, cut this kind of conversation here as it went from SCS to Korean culture and now to 'bad old West' talks. Click the 'like' button under each other's posts and keep this thread informative like it used to be.
Look bubba, if you don't like what I say, then don't read it; if what I say offends you, then go cry to the mods.
 
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