China's Military Expansion & Modernization - Australian View


emblem21

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I mean with headlines coming from moronic and unhinged politicians like this ass hat the war rhetoric against China is solidifying at even greater and dangerous scale.

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This man might get the war he wishes for but whether he will survive his stupidity depends on how angry China at time but expect that at the end of the day, if such a war is ever fought, that the ownership of Australia will change from Anglo Saxon to China, but only if Australia's racist insanity is taken to levels where the whole globe becomes sick of its entitled racism and the USA is out of the picture and even then, Australia will have to fire the first shot which somehow I fear that the government might do given how much the USA has corrupted the Australian government and how absolutely little that Australia knows about China's weapon arsenal. Nothing less then the complete cleaning of the slate will put Australia back on the right path
 

DarkStar

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This man might get the war he wishes for but whether he will survive his stupidity depends on how angry China at time but expect that at the end of the day, if such a war is ever fought, that the ownership of Australia will change from Anglo Saxon to China, but only if Australia's racist insanity is taken to levels where the whole globe becomes sick of its entitled racism and the USA is out of the picture and even then, Australia will have to fire the first shot which somehow I fear that the government might do given how much the USA has corrupted the Australian government and how absolutely little that Australia knows about China's weapon arsenal. Nothing less then the complete cleaning of the slate will put Australia back on the right path
Just reposting my earlier post on dutton
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For those not in the know, Dutton is really the eminence grise of australia, functioning as the anglo american CIA's point man in australia; under Dutton, australia has passed draconian anti free speech laws, the latest of which is going to involve the federal police being able to go into your data and manipulate your internet search history to plant fake evidence and frame would be dissenters against their anglo american order.

And according to Snowden and the PRISM program, all the Five Eyes funnel their data through australia so as to get out of their own domestic privacy laws...
 

tonyget

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Jim Molan believes that China will not directly attack Taiwan. But a surprise attack on US bases in the Western Pacific which would be Guam, Okinawa, mainland Japanese and South Korean bases, Darwin, Pearl Harbour and Diego Garcia. Then attack Taiwan because the US won't be able to interfere.

 

Overbom

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Jim Molan believes that China will not directly attack Taiwan. But a surprise attack on US bases in the Western Pacific which would be Guam, Okinawa, mainland Japanese and South Korean bases, Darwin, Pearl Harbour and Diego Garcia. Then attack Taiwan because the US won't be able to interfere.

This is utterly delusional. Pearl Harbour? Japan? S.Korea? It aint happening!
 

steel21

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Jim Molan believes that China will not directly attack Taiwan. But a surprise attack on US bases in the Western Pacific which would be Guam, Okinawa, mainland Japanese and South Korean bases, Darwin, Pearl Harbour and Diego Garcia. Then attack Taiwan because the US won't be able to interfere.

Delusional old man.

Guy is still looking at this like a game of Starcraft battle. Oh, you have 3 carriers, I got 6. I win

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He fail to realize that there has been no challenge to USN CSG for half a century. The moment one goes down, even an Arleigh Burke, the casualty, the emotional cost and credibility equities will escalate rapidly.

Only a fucking idiot would go after US assets first. That is a surefire way to fuck up a settlement and re-establishment of a lasting peace.

Totally irrational.

I can't believe he used to be a flag grade. Then again, I've met plenty of crazy O6 - O8s.

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BoraTas

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I mean with headlines coming from moronic and unhinged politicians like this ass hat the war rhetoric against China is solidifying at even greater and dangerous scale.

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The current Australian government is insane. I hope sane people replace them in the next elections. I am okay with Australia being an adversary of China. Every nation makes choices. But the current warmongering must stop for the sake of the entire humanity. If you look at history it is almost always over aggressive allies who start wars.
 

styx

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this is the most important italian defense magazine. Look at what is the european point of view on Australia nuke sumbmarine "deal". Good news for china, alliance of europe and usa against them is very far now.
 

styx

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A disaster foretold, widely predicted on these columns. Australia has officially closed cooperation with France for the purchase of 12 new conventional submarines derived from the BARRACUDA / SUFFREN nuclear SSNs. Thus comes to an end the most ambitious Australian defense procurement operation (which is also involved on other expensive fronts, from new frigates to F-35s) which envisaged doubling the RAN underwater fleet over 3 decades. Now Canberra will also have to pay billions of dollars in penalties. The program presented problems of all kinds from the beginning: the purchase of a boat on paper derived from a design of a French nuclear submarine in development, the choice of an American CMS combined with the integration of an Australian-American company, the enormous manpower limits of local shipbuilding - lacking the technical, engineering and industrial resources to manage such complex programs - and, last but not least, the difficulties in the relationship between the local and the French component. In short, the conditions for the disaster were all there - even the most modest COLLINS had been a bloodbath - and this is what happened on time. The same program for the Type 26 frigates is struggling with similar problems, with delays and cost increases. But Canberra's perseverance has no limits and, at the same time as the closure with Paris and Naval Group, the intention was announced to equip itself with "at least" 8 nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSN) as part of a new strategic cooperation with USA and UK, called AUKUS. The first step in this direction is the launch of an initiative to assess the feasibility of the project, which will last for one and a half years. Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has already announced that these new SSNs, which will only be equipped with conventional armament, will be built at the Adelaide shipyard. With these premises, new disasters and biblical timelines are announced. To date, Australia is completely devoid of an industrial infrastructure for the construction and operation of nuclear-powered submarines. This should be done from scratch with tens and tens of billions of dollars in investments and the import into Australia of technical and engineering resources of which the country is scarce. We recall, in fact, that Australia is a continent of only 25 million inhabitants. Canberra should therefore commensurate its ambitions a little better with its real human and industrial dimension, and embark on feasible programs, “contenting itself” with filling any gaps with targeted off-the-shelf acquisitions.
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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A disaster foretold, widely predicted on these columns. Australia has officially closed cooperation with France for the purchase of 12 new conventional submarines derived from the BARRACUDA / SUFFREN nuclear SSNs. Thus comes to an end the most ambitious Australian defense procurement operation (which is also involved on other expensive fronts, from new frigates to F-35s) which envisaged doubling the RAN underwater fleet over 3 decades. Now Canberra will also have to pay billions of dollars in penalties. The program presented problems of all kinds from the beginning: the purchase of a boat on paper derived from a design of a French nuclear submarine in development, the choice of an American CMS combined with the integration of an Australian-American company, the enormous manpower limits of local shipbuilding - lacking the technical, engineering and industrial resources to manage such complex programs - and, last but not least, the difficulties in the relationship between the local and the French component. In short, the conditions for the disaster were all there - even the most modest COLLINS had been a bloodbath - and this is what happened on time. The same program for the Type 26 frigates is struggling with similar problems, with delays and cost increases. But Canberra's perseverance has no limits and, at the same time as the closure with Paris and Naval Group, the intention was announced to equip itself with "at least" 8 nuclear-powered attack submarines (SSN) as part of a new strategic cooperation with USA and UK, called AUKUS. The first step in this direction is the launch of an initiative to assess the feasibility of the project, which will last for one and a half years. Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison has already announced that these new SSNs, which will only be equipped with conventional armament, will be built at the Adelaide shipyard. With these premises, new disasters and biblical timelines are announced. To date, Australia is completely devoid of an industrial infrastructure for the construction and operation of nuclear-powered submarines. This should be done from scratch with tens and tens of billions of dollars in investments and the import into Australia of technical and engineering resources of which the country is scarce. We recall, in fact, that Australia is a continent of only 25 million inhabitants. Canberra should therefore commensurate its ambitions a little better with its real human and industrial dimension, and embark on feasible programs, “contenting itself” with filling any gaps with targeted off-the-shelf acquisitions.
Well, the AUKUS incident could exacerbate the Anglo-Saxon/EU (primarily France and Germany) divide over how to get tough on China, adding onto France's suspicion that the Anglo-Saxon countries never treaty Paris as an equal within the alliance.
 

styx

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what is the interest to an area 10000 km away from asia like europe to be tought with the main asian economic power?
 

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