China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

Biscuits

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People forget Melamine scandal in China when Companies replaced milk powder with Melamine. So, replacing fuel with Water is not out of the question for Chinese corrupt officials. Its good that its being rectified though. Corruption is a common problem in "poor" countries. The kind of power these officials have compared to the kind of money they can make staying clean is just too low. So corruption is inevitable. Anti-corruption drive is ofcourse will mitigate this somewhat. But what will really change this is increasing salaries to a level that is appropriate for the kind of power they have.
Yeah and by same logic I guess the fungal injection scandal where companies in US allowed contaminated medicines to go on sale, directly injecting fungus into the spinal canal of thousands, means that whatever NK says about US military must "not out of the question".

There is corruption in every country, but in China extraordinarily little so, relative to its status. The larger the pie, the easier it is to remove pieces unnoticed, and having the largest pie predisposes towards the largest pieces removed. Yet we see that this is not the case, efficiency and corruption in China is more comparable to mid sized countries with high social trust.

Let's not waste any time on a blatantly made up article from one of the known untrustworthy sources. Let me quickly spell out exactly why the article was commissioned, along with why the earlier "lost nuclear submarine" and "no fire extinguishers" articles:

1. Since losing the trade war, US has been aggrandizing for an attack on China. Sending their high officials to meet with separatists inside China is the smoking gun proof that US was planning invasion.

2. However, in 2022 and then 2023, incidents sprung up in other parts of the world that revealed US struggles with sustaining even the present conflicts. Despite all the preparation for an invasion, it became clear that there is a vast gulf of capability that US can't reasonably breach.

3. 2024 is election year for Biden, a president that promised victory in Ukraine and promised threats towards China's border. None of that will realistically manifest.

4. So what to do? In the last minute, downplay the enemies that Biden failed to impede, thereby whitewashing the regime from failures to implement their promises, because "they weren't real enemies at all, they weren't well prepared". Excusing US itself for not being well prepared.

It's disappointing to see that some posters here would show proof of such lack of critical thinking as to unironically swallow such slop, meant to placate the viewers of CNN and Fox more than to placate even the US intelligentsia... But then again, I guess several posters who always bring up these points are not doing it in good faith.
 

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Yeah and by same logic I guess the fungal injection scandal where companies in US allowed contaminated medicines to go on sale, directly injecting fungus into the spinal canal of thousands, means that whatever NK says about US military must "not out of the question".

There is corruption in every country, but in China extraordinarily little so, relative to its status. The larger the pie, the easier it is to remove pieces unnoticed, and having the largest pie predisposes towards the largest pieces removed. Yet we see that this is not the case, efficiency and corruption in China is more comparable to mid sized countries with high social trust.

Let's not waste any time on a blatantly made up article from one of the known untrustworthy sources. Let me quickly spell out exactly why the article was commissioned, along with why the earlier "lost nuclear submarine" and "no fire extinguishers" articles:

1. Since losing the trade war, US has been aggrandizing for an attack on China. Sending their high officials to meet with separatists inside China is the smoking gun proof that US was planning invasion.

2. However, in 2022 and then 2023, incidents sprung up in other parts of the world that revealed US struggles with sustaining even the present conflicts. Despite all the preparation for an invasion, it became clear that there is a vast gulf of capability that US can't reasonably breach.

3. 2024 is election year for Biden, a president that promised victory in Ukraine and promised threats towards China's border. None of that will realistically manifest.

4. So what to do? In the last minute, downplay the enemies that Biden failed to impede, thereby whitewashing the regime from failures to implement their promises, because "they weren't real enemies at all, they weren't well prepared". Excusing US itself for not being well prepared.

It's disappointing to see that some posters here would show proof of such lack of critical thinking as to unironically swallow such slop, meant to placate the viewers of CNN and Fox more than to placate even the US intelligentsia... But then again, I guess several posters who always bring up these points are not doing it in good faith.

Everyone knows western media tries to portray China as weak, incompetent or outright evil. So, their attempts are well known and predictable.

But it is also true that China is an extremely corrupt place. Poverty tends make people corrupt and China is no exception. China was an extremely poor place not even 15 years ago. These same people growing up in poverty are now top officials. People in power China has gotten to that position through corruption and has used corruption to enrich themselves. Then these are the same people that buy assets in the west and send their wives and children to live in western countries. These so called "Naked Officials" are a phenomenon as well. I remember a case that happened a few years ago when a corrupt officials daughter was able to park their luxury car inside the forbidden city. That's the kind of power these people have.

We need to understand the reality of China. Yes, it is slowly rising up and getting richer. Yes, it is gaining a lot tech and growing its military. But corruption is deep in its bones and it will not be eliminated in 10 years just because Xi Jinping decided to do anti-corruption. Even Xi jinping's relatives themselves could be doing corruption for all we know.


Cleaning up China will be a long and arduous process that will take 30-40-50 years. And it will go hand in hand with the level of wealth China has. The more wealthy China is, the less powerful people will have incentive to be corrupt. There will also be more processes and agencies in place to catch corruption.

Inefficiencies due to corruption will be a fact in every project China does. But China still manages to churn out decent stuff in many fields. That's how they manage to grow.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Everyone knows western media tries to portray China as weak, incompetent or outright evil. So, their attempts are well known and predictable.

But it is also true that China is an extremely corrupt place. Poverty tends make people corrupt and China is no exception. China was an extremely poor place not even 15 years ago. These same people growing up in poverty are now top officials. People in power China has gotten to that position through corruption and has used corruption to enrich themselves. Then these are the same people that buy assets in the west and send their wives and children to live in western countries. These so called "Naked Officials" are a phenomenon as well. I remember a case that happened a few years ago when a corrupt officials daughter was able to park their luxury car inside the forbidden city. That's the kind of power these people have.

We need to understand the reality of China. Yes, it is slowly rising up and getting richer. Yes, it is gaining a lot tech and growing its military. But corruption is deep in its bones and it will not be eliminated in 10 years just because Xi Jinping decided to do anti-corruption. Even Xi jinping's relatives themselves could be doing corruption for all we know.


Cleaning up China will be a long and arduous process that will take 30-40-50 years. And it will go hand in hand with the level of wealth China has. The more wealthy China is, the less powerful people will have incentive to be corrupt. There will also be more processes and agencies in place to catch corruption.

Inefficiencies due to corruption will be a fact in every project China does. But China still manages to churn out decent stuff in many fields. That's how they manage to grow.
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Guess Iran is right about the US then?
 

Biscuits

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Everyone knows western media tries to portray China as weak, incompetent or outright evil. So, their attempts are well known and predictable.

But it is also true that China is an extremely corrupt place. Poverty tends make people corrupt and China is no exception. China was an extremely poor place not even 15 years ago. These same people growing up in poverty are now top officials. People in power China has gotten to that position through corruption and has used corruption to enrich themselves. Then these are the same people that buy assets in the west and send their wives and children to live in western countries. These so called "Naked Officials" are a phenomenon as well. I remember a case that happened a few years ago when a corrupt officials daughter was able to park their luxury car inside the forbidden city. That's the kind of power these people have.
You really think that is bad??? Let me introduce you to the places a corrupt American leader's son parked his pecker...
We need to understand the reality of China. Yes, it is slowly rising up and getting richer. Yes, it is gaining a lot tech and growing its military. But corruption is deep in its bones and it will not be eliminated in 10 years just because Xi Jinping decided to do anti-corruption. Even Xi jinping's relatives themselves could be doing corruption for all we know.


Cleaning up China will be a long and arduous process that will take 30-40-50 years. And it will go hand in hand with the level of wealth China has. The more wealthy China is, the less powerful people will have incentive to be corrupt. There will also be more processes and agencies in place to catch corruption.

Inefficiencies due to corruption will be a fact in every project China does. But China still manages to churn out decent stuff in many fields. That's how they manage to grow.
Relative to similar sized economies (US, Russia, India, Japan) China is not corrupt. "extreme" corruption is hyperbole, otherwise what do we call whats transpiring in for example America or Brazil? Omega ultra deluxe corruption?

One must hold a realistic view, it's not possible to get rid of corruption from the world's largest economy. It's not even possible to make corruption as good as the model countries in the world with low corruption, like Sweden or Finland. But the most important is to keep the system functioning.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
Everyone knows western media tries to portray China as weak, incompetent or outright evil. So, their attempts are well known and predictable.

But it is also true that China is an extremely corrupt place. Poverty tends make people corrupt and China is no exception. China was an extremely poor place not even 15 years ago. These same people growing up in poverty are now top officials. People in power China has gotten to that position through corruption and has used corruption to enrich themselves. Then these are the same people that buy assets in the west and send their wives and children to live in western countries. These so called "Naked Officials" are a phenomenon as well. I remember a case that happened a few years ago when a corrupt officials daughter was able to park their luxury car inside the forbidden city. That's the kind of power these people have.

We need to understand the reality of China. Yes, it is slowly rising up and getting richer. Yes, it is gaining a lot tech and growing its military. But corruption is deep in its bones and it will not be eliminated in 10 years just because Xi Jinping decided to do anti-corruption. Even Xi jinping's relatives themselves could be doing corruption for all we know.


Cleaning up China will be a long and arduous process that will take 30-40-50 years. And it will go hand in hand with the level of wealth China has. The more wealthy China is, the less powerful people will have incentive to be corrupt. There will also be more processes and agencies in place to catch corruption.

Inefficiencies due to corruption will be a fact in every project China does. But China still manages to churn out decent stuff in many fields. That's how they manage to grow.
"But it is also true that China is an extremely corrupt place"? really?

and "Inefficiencies due to corruption will be a fact in every project China does" ... are sure about this? China is the most competitive in infrastructure project and manufacturing in the world, surely it can't happen if there is massive corruption there.

I totally disagree with those. Yes there are some level of corruption in China like everywhere else, including in the US .. but "extremely" is totally wrong. If China was extremely corrupt, what would you call corruption level in other countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Russia, Ukraine, Indonesia, Philippine, African countries, etc? and even the US which is highly corrupt and called it lobbying?

Corruption in China is much much better now than 30 years ago and getting better every day. The opposite is happening in the US

btw, have you been to China? I have many times and I don't see obvious corruption there, to me extremely efficient there
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Everyone knows western media tries to portray China as weak, incompetent or outright evil. So, their attempts are well known and predictable.

But it is also true that China is an extremely corrupt place. Poverty tends make people corrupt and China is no exception. China was an extremely poor place not even 15 years ago. These same people growing up in poverty are now top officials. People in power China has gotten to that position through corruption and has used corruption to enrich themselves. Then these are the same people that buy assets in the west and send their wives and children to live in western countries. These so called "Naked Officials" are a phenomenon as well. I remember a case that happened a few years ago when a corrupt officials daughter was able to park their luxury car inside the forbidden city. That's the kind of power these people have.

We need to understand the reality of China. Yes, it is slowly rising up and getting richer. Yes, it is gaining a lot tech and growing its military. But corruption is deep in its bones and it will not be eliminated in 10 years just because Xi Jinping decided to do anti-corruption. Even Xi jinping's relatives themselves could be doing corruption for all we know.


Cleaning up China will be a long and arduous process that will take 30-40-50 years. And it will go hand in hand with the level of wealth China has. The more wealthy China is, the less powerful people will have incentive to be corrupt. There will also be more processes and agencies in place to catch corruption.

Inefficiencies due to corruption will be a fact in every project China does. But China still manages to churn out decent stuff in many fields. That's how they manage to grow.
Jesus effing Christ dude. Do you have any supporting evidence that's beyond refute regarding the allegations made of Chinese entrenched corruption?

It seems like a many if not all of your opinions are primarily coming from western publications and allegations that more often than not have been proven to be false or misleading, not to mention cherry picking data. Corruption exist everywhere, but if China's corruption is that rampant the level of China's success in various important strategic areas wouldn't have made it this far, and the country would relatively be at the same level of national comprehensive power like India.

Look at the level of economic improvements that Chinese people have experienced and are experiencing which are UNPRECEDENTED in MODERN HISTORY, if that's not a very laudable achievement that's UNPARALLELED IN OUR LIFETIME that refutes what's being leveled against China’s core leadership, people in all areas. Now, does this imply there's NO CORRUPTIONS? HECK NO, but the level of corruption isn't at all comparable to the corruption we see in western countries, least of all in countries like India, the Philippines, South Korea, Japan, Great Britain, France, Canada, and the Pentagon can't even audit their money U.S.

Here's EXHIBIT A: Construction in China is done ALMOST ALWAYS WITH RECORD COMPLETION TIME.
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The Subway extension line in Toronto that started back in 2010 is still being build TO THIS BLEEPING DAY WITH BILLIONS MORE ADDED COSTS.

 
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no_name

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Everyone knows western media tries to portray China as weak, incompetent or outright evil. So, their attempts are well known and predictable.

But it is also true that China is an extremely corrupt place. Poverty tends make people corrupt and China is no exception. China was an extremely poor place not even 15 years ago. These same people growing up in poverty are now top officials. People in power China has gotten to that position through corruption and has used corruption to enrich themselves. Then these are the same people that buy assets in the west and send their wives and children to live in western countries. These so called "Naked Officials" are a phenomenon as well. I remember a case that happened a few years ago when a corrupt officials daughter was able to park their luxury car inside the forbidden city. That's the kind of power these people have.

We need to understand the reality of China. Yes, it is slowly rising up and getting richer. Yes, it is gaining a lot tech and growing its military. But corruption is deep in its bones and it will not be eliminated in 10 years just because Xi Jinping decided to do anti-corruption. Even Xi jinping's relatives themselves could be doing corruption for all we know.


Cleaning up China will be a long and arduous process that will take 30-40-50 years. And it will go hand in hand with the level of wealth China has. The more wealthy China is, the less powerful people will have incentive to be corrupt. There will also be more processes and agencies in place to catch corruption.

Inefficiencies due to corruption will be a fact in every project China does. But China still manages to churn out decent stuff in many fields. That's how they manage to grow.
Well this one is not injecting water but maybe something else:

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No wonder their hypersonic program kept running into troubles. There is only so much energy that a person has to spend.
 

Biscuits

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Well this one is not injecting water but maybe something else:

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No wonder their hypersonic program kept running into troubles. There is only so much energy that a person has to spend.
Actually programs like Ford and F-35 are exact examples of 注水

I.e. the practice of not creating an inherently unusable product, but just making it unnecessarily time consuming and expensive because of corruption
 
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