China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread


ansy1968

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People here might be overreacting just a touch. America knows that a war with China is far too risky and the only wars it wages are against those who can't defend themselves. The truth of the matter is if there's a war over Taiwan, it'll be because China chooses to launch that war. Not even the hardest DPP separatist will make a formal declaration of independence because the only outcomes are them getting mauled and America leaving them high and dry. China's red lines won't be crossed and this unsatisfactory status quo will persist.

Yes, China's nuclear deterrence needs to be strengthen and that's being attended to. The number of Chinese ICBMs capable of reaching the US has tripled in the last few years. The Trump experience has shown the Chinese leadership exactly what they're dealing with and they're responding accordingly. So, please, a little less hyperventilating.
@ZeEa5KPul I'm with you bro, I don't want to experience WW3 during my lifetime and those of my children. And when push comes to shove most of us will stand up and say no to this madness and here even the US allies except for AUKUS will definitely make a stand cause this crisis are not of their making so why should they sacrifice and suffer the consequences.
 

davidau

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@ZeEa5KPul I'm with you bro, I don't want to experience WW3 during my lifetime and those of my children. And when push comes to shove most of us will stand up and say no to this madness and here even the US allies except for AUKUS will definitely make a stand cause this crisis are not of their making so why should they sacrifice and suffer the consequences.
I believe the Assies will go all the way with LBJ, as they are acting as the deputy sherrif for the yanks.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Less than a year, maybe before end of this year in fact.... once war starts, all Chinese Americans (including myself) will instantly be locked up in USA concentration death camps and probably gas chambered

Do they have the social cohesion and infrastructure for that?

Going by their building standards (see Elon Musk's Las Vegas loop) their camps will promise to be super deadly and all, but actually leak, hold like 10 people, cost 1 billion USD each and be 5 years overdue.

They'll have traffic jams just trying to round people up into them thanks to their shit infrastructure.

Even if they tried to pull a Turkey and just round people up in death marches, you think their street infrastructure can handle that without jamming, car crashes and logistics losses of billions?

How many cops do they need?

What happens to their tech infrastructure too?

What about their universities?

Even if they pulled a Rwanda, more and more Chinese Americans are gun owners. How many wanna risk their lives trying to storm their houses, especially in highly urbanized regions like Flushing NY or SF Chinatown?
 

davidau

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Do they have the social cohesion and infrastructure for that?

Going by their building standards (see Elon Musk's Las Vegas loop) their camps will promise to be super deadly and all, but actually leak, hold like 10 people, cost 1 billion USD each and be 5 years overdue.

They'll have traffic jams just trying to round people up into them thanks to their shit infrastructure.

Even if they tried to pull a Turkey and just round people up in death marches, you think their street infrastructure can handle that without jamming, car crashes and logistics losses of billions?

How many cops do they need?

What happens to their tech infrastructure too?

What about their universities?

Even if they pulled a Rwanda, more and more Chinese Americans are gun owners. How many wanna risk their lives trying to storm their houses, especially in highly urbanized regions like Flushing NY or SF Chinatown?
what is good for the goose, is also good for the gander.
 

Xsizor

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I'm interested in knowing what semiconductor processor chips are China using for this big bet on AI. Sure, military processors need not be as cost conscious or power conscious as consumer ones but still, it'd need to be competent to drive growth.

We know that US military has started to fund 5nm technology of Intel (Intel 18A that uses an improved ASML EUV).
 

taxiya

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I'm interested in knowing what semiconductor processor chips are China using for this big bet on AI. Sure, military processors need not be as cost conscious or power conscious as consumer ones but still, it'd need to be competent to drive growth.

We know that US military has started to fund 5nm technology of Intel (Intel 18A that uses an improved ASML EUV).
That is a very complicated question without an easy answer, I guess. Not only cost is a less consideration for military, but for reliability in strong EM working environment, a less dense (advanced) chip is preferable over high density chip if performance is acceptable.

I think a easy but rough way to compare with US and China is to compare their current production technology level regardless civilian or military application. In this way we are comparing the foundations.

According to this article
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Cannon Lake, the first 10nm product, found its way into Intel’s Crimson Canyon NUC mini-PCs and was a hot mess: two cores only, disabled integrated graphics, and although it shipped for revenue in 2017, Intel was right to consign it to history very quickly.

Ice Lake was Intel’s proper launch vehicle for 10nm, offering four cores and a lot of Gen11 graphics within 15 watts. It has found its way into over 50 laptop designs, but as mentioned on the previous page, despite its 15-20% increase in raw performance clock-for-clock, that 10-20% decrease in frequency balances it out for a minimal CPU improvement over 14nm. The graphics on Ice Lake are still a lot better than on 14nm, and support for Thunderbolt 3 as well as 512-bit vector instructions means that Ice Lake still has a few plus points.
Intel's current level is Intel-10SF (10nm). However, Intel's 10nm processor in 2017 (code name Cannon Lake) was handicapped and soon stopped production. It's proper 10nm processor Ice Lake was only delivered in 2019. Ice Lake although is 10nm, but its performance is only slightly better than a 17nm because its performance increase was offset by decrease of clock.

SMIC is currently offering 17nm since 2019.

So roughly speaking, US and China are on the same footing right now. That does not take into consideration of China's road map because of lack of information and also the embargo of ASML machine and the progress of domestic machines.

Another hint can be taken from Beidou chip. According to this artile
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. 80% GPS chips are made of 40nm. Beidou-3's chip was 28nm in 2020, and should be 22nm now.

To summarize, in civilian application US may be slightly advanced than China, but in military application, I don't think there is anything to worry.

Note, I only talk about domestic capability, so the real champions in the sector Samsung and TSMC are not considered as US capability. Are they involved in US military contract of high value?
 
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Xsizor

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Note, I only talk about domestic capability, so the real champions in the sector Samsung and TSMC are not considered as US capability. Are they involved in US military contract of high value?
Not Samsung but I have read that US uses Nvidea chips to drive AI in many systems. Nvidea semiconductors are manufactured by TSMC.

Whether the contract is high value is not known. But the Intel contract fab reorganization may be there exactly to push out this kind of reliance on TSMC.
 

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