China won Turkey's missile defense competition

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taxiya

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Dolcevita said:
True. But nevertheless, this would be wishful thinking and too risky. As I said, Turkey has not yet proven to be a reliable partner. Perhaps one day it will.
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why risky? It doesn't matter if Turkey is reliable to China or not, China won't count on Turkey anyway (now at least), it is to put misstrust between Turkey and other NATO members, primarily to pull U.S.'s leg.
A typical example in the Chinese history (which the current Chinese leadership grasps very well) is in 313BC, Qin broke the alliance between Chu and Qi by promising goodies to Chu.
 
GreenestGDP

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Dolcevita said:
I am actually glad this is happening. Always had some doubt on the wisdom for the deal. Turkey has not yet proven to be a reliable partner and why would one want to transfer technology to a treaty bound NATO member. Bear in mind that the leading members of NATO are bent on containment of China's independent policies.

On top of this, You have an open conflict in Syria. Imagine the fallout if any of these weapons were used against Russian aircraft operating there.
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#1) Absolutely agree with your wise observations.


Dolcevita said:
True. But nevertheless, this would be wishful thinking and too risky. As I said, Turkey has not yet proven to be a reliable partner. Perhaps one day it will.
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#2) Absolutely agree with your wise observations.
 
GreenestGDP

GreenestGDP

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taxiya said:
why risky? It doesn't matter if Turkey is reliable to China or not, China won't count on Turkey anyway (now at least), it is to put misstrust between Turkey and other NATO members, primarily to pull U.S.'s leg.
A typical example in the Chinese history (which the current Chinese leadership grasps very well) is in 313BC, Qin broke the alliance between Chu and Qi by promising goodies to Chu.
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1) Turkey has been supporting Uyghur Terrorism in China for a long time.

Are you supporting Uyghur Terrorism too ?
I don't think so, right ? ;)


2) At this moment, based on all the missile produced,
in terms of overall missile technologies PRC is superior
than you--know--who.
I realize most of you do not agree, but look at the fact on the ground.

It is so much easier for Turkey and Turkey military personnels
to betray China, and sell and reveal PRC technologies to US.
Because of Turkey population has been brainwashed too,
by the western media about Uyghur situations in China.

In general, majority of Turkey population hate Chinese.
I thought you know this ?? ;)


In fact in the past, PRC has been unwise in being very timid in helping IRAN.
PRC should bend over backward to help IRAN upgrade IRAN Air Force
and missiles arsenal, and UAV tech.
 
GreenestGDP

GreenestGDP

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Sorry too late to edit the above.

Additionally, in the past, ... ...
PRC has been unwise in being very, very timid in helping CUBA and VENEZUELA as well.
PRC should bend over backward to help IRAN, CUBA, and VENEZUELA.
Since this is long term Goodwill transaction, and not commercial transaction.
PRC should NOT be making any profit from .IRAN, CUBA, and VENEZUELA.
 
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Dolcevita

Major
taxiya said:
why risky? It doesn't matter if Turkey is reliable to China or not, China won't count on Turkey anyway (now at least), it is to put misstrust between Turkey and other NATO members, primarily to pull U.S.'s leg.
A typical example in the Chinese history (which the current Chinese leadership grasps very well) is in 313BC, Qin broke the alliance between Chu and Qi by promising goodies to Chu.
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Risky because without trust, the capabilities of the system could easily be leaked and more effective countermeasures developed to negate its effectiveness. Moreover, with a transfer of technology, Turkey and possibly NATO would have a better understanding of the technology and develop countermeasures, avoid its strength and exploit its weaknesses, simple as that. For what? This is more important than a commercial transaction. Whatever the promises in prestige and financial gain cannot compensate for any potential harm to the Chinese interest and eventually the wellbeing of its citizen. Let Turkey prove first that they are a trust-worthy partner and we are not there yet. Perhaps someday.

Not saying Turkey cannot be trusted. Just that we need to prudent not look for short-term gains. Imagine if Turkey were to break the confidentiality of the technology, intentionally or not. The damage is immeasurable and there is nothing much China can do about it.


Also bear in mind that a Treaty likely carries more weight that a commercial transaction contract.
 
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taxiya

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I see a self-exciting oscillation, or put to layman's term, a downward spiral. EU rejection triggerred Turkey's looking for "friend" elsewhere move, evidented by its religious re-orientation during AKP's administration, "buying" Chinese weapon as a protest or bargain chip to its western "partners". These moves in turn reduce trust from its "partners", this loop will continue. China is happy to play along.
 
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sequ

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Turkey as a strong NATO member has again failed to to protect it's own skies against intruders and ballistic missiles. NATO has protected Turkey three times with Anti-Air and ABM since 1991, and not once did the Turks give the acquisition of advanced SAM systems a high priority.
Now they decided to design and build their own long-range SAM, which will take a long time to come to fruition.

Unfortunately, this whimsical way of putting up a tender is characteristic for the Turks.

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They cancelled this MBT tender and decided to build their own MBT which has yet been put into production


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They cancelled this tender too and decided to build their own attack helicopter, which is currently under production with a dozen or so in service

Lets just hope that the indigenous SAM will be completed before Turkey is caught with it's pants down.
 
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