China should move

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
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We can all speculate about what the PRC should or should not do..They have never, ever responded to any of these type attacks. That's a fact.

For me the fact these murders kidnapped 7 Chinese workers is a very grave situation. I feel the PRC should take some action as best the can reguarding this situation immediately.

Here is the full news story. 74 people were killed in the attack.

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Ethiopian rebels kill 74 in oil attack By ANITA POWELL, Associated Press Writer

ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia - Ethiopian rebels who have fought alongside Islamic militants in neighboring Somalia stormed a Chinese-run oil field at dawn Tuesday, killing 74 people and destroying the exploration facility in a restive border region.

It was the first such attack on a foreign company in this Horn of Africa nation, in contrast to Nigeria on the western side of the continent, where rebel groups frequently attack international oil concerns.

Chinese officials said nine Chinese oil workers and 65 Ethiopians died and seven Chinese were taken away by the rebels. It wasn't known if the rebels suffered any casualties.

The assault by more than 200 gunmen lasted nearly an hour, and followed a warning last year from the rebel Ogaden National Liberation Front against any investment in eastern Ethiopia's Ogaden area that could benefit the U.S.-allied government.

Formed by Ethiopia's ethnic Somali minority, the Muslim group has been fighting for secession of the Britain-sized region with 4 million inhabitants since the early 1990s, but it had mounted only occasional hit-and-run attacks on government troops in recent years.

The large scale of the attack at the small town of Abole, close to the Somali border, raised the prospect of a broadening of the fighting in Somalia, where the Ethiopian army is supporting the U.N.-backed interim Somali government in a war with Islamic insurgents.

"This was a cold-blooded killing," Bereket Simon, a special adviser to Prime Minister Meles Zenawi, told The Associated Press.

J. Stephen Morrison, director of the Africa program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said the Ogaden rebels are a "convenient vehicle for those who want to destabilize Ethiopia." He said both Somalia's Islamic militants and the government of Eritrea could be backers.

Princeton Lyman, an Africa expert at the Council on Foreign Relations, urged caution in assigning blame. He said it was possible the Eritreans could encourage such attacks, but he added that the Ogaden rebels might simply have been emboldened by the fighting in Somalia.

The rebels have fought on behalf of the Somalia insurgents, while Ethiopia and Eritrea are bitter foes.

Eritreans won their independence from Ethiopia in 1991 after a bloody three-decade rebellion, and the two nations fought a 2 1/2-year war over their disputed border that ended in 2000. Ethiopia has accused Eritrea of waging terror attacks, a charge Eritrea denies.

Eritrea also is thought to be providing support to insurgents fighting Somalia's acting government, which was supported by Ethiopian troops in defeating a hard-line Muslim militia in December.

The Ethiopian government, which is dominated by Christians and has the strongest army in the region, has allied with the U.S. in the campaign against extremist groups in the Horn of Africa. It fears rising Islamic militancy in the region could worsen unrest in Ogaden, which Ethiopia won from Somalia in a 1977 border war.

Ethiopia's prime minister, Meles, expressed confidence to journalists that the attack would not have a lasting effect on investment here.

Ethiopia is not an oil-producing country. But companies such as China's Zhongyuan Petroleum Exploration Bureau, whose facility was attacked, and Malaysia's state-owned oil giant Petronas have signed exploration deals.

China has increased its presence in Africa in recent years in a hunt for oil and other natural resources to feed its rapidly growing economy, sometimes venturing into politically unstable areas.

Xu Shuang, general manager of Zhongyuan Petroleum Exploration Bureau's Ethiopia operation, declined to give details of the attack, except to say that the attackers killed nine Chinese oil workers along with 65 Ethiopians and kidnapped seven Chinese workers.

A spokesman for the Chinese Foreign Ministry, Liu Jianchao, condemned the attack, China's official Xinhua News Agency said.

Xinhua said the attackers fought 100 Ethiopian soldiers protecting the facility in a 50-minute gunbattle. It said the company had 157 Chinese and Ethiopian workers at the facility.

Zhongyuan Petroleum Exploration Bureau, which has operations in at least nine nations, is a division of the state-owned China Petroleum and Chemical Corp. and came to Ethiopia in May 2004, according to its Web site. It began work in Ogaden last year.

The Ogaden National Liberation Front described Tuesday's attack as "military operations against units of the Ethiopian armed forces guarding an oil exploration site."

It did not give any details of casualties, but said its fighters "wiped out" three Ethiopian military units at Abole, which is 75 miles from Jijiga, the capital of Somali Regional State, as Ogaden is formally known.

Bereket, the government adviser, said several Ethiopian soldiers were wounded by the rebels.

"The army is pursuing them. We will track them down dead or alive. We will make sure these people will be hunted and be brought to justice," he said.

Associated Press writer Sarah DiLorenzo in New York contributed to this report.

This is really a grave issue. I'm surprised by the lack of response to this thread.

All the PLA fans should be hot on this subject. 16 citizens of the PRC have been murdered or kidnapped. This is not the first time something like this has occuried in recent history.

What sort of move should China make? Can they do anything at all?
 
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Ryz05

Junior Member
We can all speculate about what the PRC should or should not do..They have never, ever responded to any of these type attacks. That's a fact.

For me the fact these murders kidnapped 7 Chinese workers is a very grave situation. I fel the PRC should take some action as best the can reguarding this situation immediately.

Here is the full news story. 74 people were killed in the attack.



This is really a grave issue. I'm surprised by the lack of response to this thread.

All the PLA fans should be hot on this subject. 16 citizens of the PRC have been murdered or kidnapped. This is not the first time something like this has occuried in recent history.

What sort of move should China make? Can they do anyting at all?

It's a grave tragedy. I think the best course is for China to work closely with Ethiopian government on the issue, as well as providing equipments and training for Ethiopian army. The best thing is to use local forces to protect Chinese business interests.
 

f.hind

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I imagine the PRC will be very cautious when considering their response to this attack. After all the care they've taken to foster the idea of their "peaceful rise", it is hard to imagine a high-profile troop deployment happening. Ryz05's suggestion above of using local forces seems likely to me. Although I too would be very interested in seeing some kind of deployment in response to this, it would be a real test of their ability to operate as a major power should be able to.
Perhaps a small special forces unit will be sent out. This seems like an ideal opportunity for them to get combat experience.
 

Schumacher

Senior Member
.......How many of those aircraft are servicable and avilable for this mission? Also does the PLAAF have any "real World " experience in such an airlift? I beleive that answer is either no or limited.

It would be intresting to see the PRC respond to this murderous act.

Actually, if the Ethiopian government gives its blessing to PLA troops, no reason why PLA troops can't be brought there on these transport or commercial aircraft. Re-fueling of those transport can be arranged with friendly countries like Pakistan, Yemen or even the Saudis.
Heavier equipment like APCs can be shipped there. It's not like it's an operation onto hostile ground requiring parachute drops.
But unlikely Ethiopia or many African nations will want foreign troops there. They'll insist they can solve the hostage issue. Nor do I think China is willing to risk a dangerous hostage rescue mission.
 

Shingy

New Member
If my own people were killed and taken hostage by the same people like these i would expect no less then my government to go and protect our citizens, i really don't see anything wrong with China attempting to do exactly the same thing.
 

Leeda

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China should deploy it's forces for various reasons:

1. They can gain first hand experience in force deployment in other parts of world (treat it as a military exercise). Same experience might prove useful in future conflicts.

2. People murdered / kidnapped are chinese nationals and it is their responsibility.

3. It might help to reduce future incidents like these on chinese deployments / property.
 

Leeda

New Member
Registered Member
If USA can destroy two countries, why can not China deploy it's forces simply to give the message not to mess with it.
 

Jeff Head

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China should deploy it's forces for various reasons:

1. They can gain first hand experience in force deployment in other parts of world (treat it as a military exercise). Same experience might prove useful in future conflicts.

2. People murdered / kidnapped are chinese nationals and it is their responsibility.

3. It might help to reduce future incidents like these on chinese deployments / property.
The PRC can gain the critical and necessary experience of exercising their military off-shore in other more peaceful operations to begin with without sending their forces into combat so far removed from their own supply lines and ability to supply and maintain them.

Without gaining that experience first, there is significant risk of failure which would be very embarassing to the PRC. For that reason alone, I do not believe they will try anything militarily at this stage.

In addition, it is the Ethiopian government's responsibility to respond to this. They knew this from the start and had over 100 of their soldiers defending this camp when the attack came.

Now the Ethiopians know that the insurgents are willing to fight larger battles and the Ethiopians will not only be prepared, they will take the fight to them and they appear to be doing so.

I do not believe the Ethiopians are going to request a Chinese expeditionary force to come in and police these insurgents for them. They have been facing them for some time and now they have given the Ethiopian forces a pre-text to really take the fight to them.

I believe we must allow the Ethiopians to police their own country. By all accounts, they not only intend to do so, but they are capable of doing so as well.

We shall see.
 

fishhead

Banned Idiot
Chinese will not send any regular troops there, that's an occupying force. Everything will go to the local legimate government and solution will come out from there, maybe with the assisstance from Chinese.

This is the price you paid for the oil, same as American paid in Iraq, blood for oil. Chinese will continue to take that risk and prepare for the cost, but unlikly they will adopt American way, which is unworkable in the long term.
 

utelore

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In regards to the debate on if the PRC has the logistics to support for a large division size force on the horn of Africa I think all you have too look at is the PRC commercial import/export fleet to answer that question.

Commercial RoRo shipping and Civ aircraft transport compounded with military transport assets could conduct the needed logistics operations.

Also look towards leased airlift container transporter from russian companys which could be done with little problem. If you just take into account for the Military transport and logistical mission so far from home then that would be a problem BUT with the use of Commercial assets it would be no problem at all.
 
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