solarz
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That's because they're all the same person.
China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?
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That's because they're all the same person.
I don't want to say that about every new member who joins because it wasn't long ago either when I came here but their mannerism, attitude, pessimism, and how they seem so well adjusted to this site as if they were here before is something I feel with the majority of them. Then comes the new bans every now and then with many people having the same IP and even worse a certain returning troll. I simply can't help but get annoyed when "new" members come in with a voice that goes against almost everyone here.
Hi AndrewS
Correct in all account as CHINA BENEFITED (AND CONTENTED) greatly from AMERICAN led international order, as you gain from this system it is automatic that you will want to maintain it, that is where the current western containment policy is wrong, Why you had to sacrifice you biggest market (GAIN GREATLY FROM IT) and the HARD EARNED INFLUENCE for IDEOLOGICAL ideas were your perceived rival have no motive to replace you.
Its such an ARROGANCE way of trying to dictate your ideas to a nation that had 5000 years of civilization, its like a child ordering its parent how to do things.
solarz
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Like I said before, it's not exactly subtle when they all argue the exact same points, lol!
Using the same faulty logic no less!
manqiangrexue
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Yeah, if China becomes unable to challenge the US, it gets better. If China gets more competitive, it gets worse.
Of course there is; China needs to get stronger, and that will automatically make US policy worse.
As you said, there is no country that China can offend. Before, it was to make good relations with every country around China by giving them whatever they wanted so China could focus on its main rival, the US. And now, it's that China should capitulate to the US as well. Can you please go belong to another nationality? It's truly a shame that someone like you claims to be Chinese.
How, other than destroying its own competitiveness, can China improve relations with the US?
Very very few people, both democrat or republican, have a favorable view of China, and I'm totally happy with that because that is a sign that you have them on the ropes. Stop being a coward and realize you need to stand on your own legs rather than look/beg for help from everyone, scared to offend anyone. Or... at least, that's what China does. You live your life your way.
Is that the bottom line? Because most people here think the bottom line is that you overestimate the US and are scared of a fight.
Nothing's easy but China's been doing it every day, in some areas already surpassing the US. Easy is a meaningless word here.
Everything you said was far worse before and getting better everyday. Even in the worst days when the balance was most lopsided against China, China still persevered and grew. Today, things have never been better for China and China will only use this momentum to continue its ascent.
The bottom line is that you are scared of challenge and are under the false impression that if you roll over and show everyone your belly, they'll like you and make your life easier. That may be how you live your life rolling over and getting on your knees at every obstacle, but that doesn't work in international affairs and that is not China's philosophy. Looking at China's growth trajectory, it has no reason to change and will not change to do things your way. It's time you came to terms with this.
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HI manqiangrexue
China has AWAKEN from its ILLUSION of AMERICA, ITS SYSTEM and ITS VALUE, and had gone back/ REDISCOVER its ROOTS, ITS CONFUCIAN VALUE and CIVILIZATION.
As I said before, these challenges is good , it will redouble CHINA effort to modernized its industry at a FASTER RATE, and realize to reinvest its hard earned income DOMESTICALLY rather than investing in US treasure notes.
If China was really that surrounded by a firm US-led alliance like you describe, then I would agree China should do whatever it takes to mend relations and accept a subserviant position to the USA.
But your description is not accurate at all.
1. Japan was previously firmly in the US camp, but now it is hedging for the day when China becomes more important than the USA
2. Korea was previously firmly in the US camp, but now it is hedging and already leaning somewhat towards China.
3. South East Asia now accepts that China is more important than the USA, as per the surveys of decision makers.
4. The EU is not happy with China, but they are not happy with the USA either.
Lots of Americans don't realise this shift has happened, and that we are now in a leaderless world where no-one looks to the USA for leadership. Examples below
EU Leads Effort to Create Alternate Trade Court as U.S. Prepares for WTO Reform Talks
US absent from global conference to raise money for coronavirus vaccine
EU asks US to rethink World Health Organization withdrawal
The U.S. is hurtling toward another trade war — but this time it isn't with China
ASEAN’s future: China or the US?
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But it is about to change, isn't it? Trump block everything that has any relation with China. Like China students are getting blocked to study in USA, Trump start to use Taiwan to oppose China, etc. That relationship start to wane. Even if China wants to improve the relationship, it looks futile. Trump even threat to stop every relationship with China. These event can goes directly to Cold War 2.0.
So I think the thread is right, that if Cold War 2.0 is really happening. What will China do. So the question that we're discussing is, what will change with China's doctrine, if Cold War 2.0 become a reality.
From the comments reported in the Chinese media, they see the 2020s as a difficult time for strategic competition, but that things will get better in the 2030s.
In the 2020s, you would expect much more friction with the USA whilst China is/becoming a rival in every respect.
But by the 2030s, if China has clearly surpassed the USA in terms of economic heft and become a hi-tech nation, the friction will decrease as the US reconciles itself to the situation.
So my view is to power through the next decade in terms of GDP growth and R&D spending.
But this is dependent on internal Chinese reforms and performance, rather than being dependent on imports and foreign tech.
At the same time, China needs to prevent a hostile alliance from containing China.
Part of that is building a big enough military to deter such an alliance from being created by the USA.
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