China Flanker Thread II


ougoah

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That would make 4 different medium/long range missiles. Sounds a bit too many. Pl15, the sino meteor, the big missile we saw on j16 and the alleged slightly smaller than pl15 missile tailored for j20.
Assuming the PL-17, PL-20, and PL-21 are the same as shown in this model Su-35. There's got to be at least two ramjet missiles. One built off the PL-12 and a more ground up model.

@SinoSoldier We're also assuming the J-16 and whatnot haven't already been armed with these missiles for some time. What's not broadcasted isn't exactly what's not there. Maybe they've managed to integrate it/them with Su-35 only recently? Who knows. Could just be an error from Huitong.
 

Deino

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Assuming the PL-17, PL-20, and PL-21 are the same as shown in this model Su-35. There's got to be at least two ramjet missiles. One built off the PL-12 and a more ground up model.
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Pardon, but this part I don't understand?

For the moment I see one single ramjet-AAM on this model and this one fits nicely to the PL-21 description we know since years.... rumorwise it has been renamed PL-20 or PL-2X as such, you are correct PL-20, and PL-21 are the same.

The PL-17 however is said to be the PLAAF designation for the ULR_AAM, we've seen so far only on the J-16 and this is another missile:

J-16_PL-15.jpg
 

stannislas

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Pardon, but this part I don't understand?

For the moment I see one single ramjet-AAM on this model and this one fits nicely to the PL-21 description we know since years.... rumorwise it has been renamed PL-20 or PL-2X as such, you are correct PL-20, and PL-21 are the same.

The PL-17 however is said to be the PLAAF designation for the ULR_AAM, we've seen so far only on the J-16 and this is another missile:

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Was pl-20 rumorly a smaller dimension pl-15? Suppose to put more missiles in j-20
 

ougoah

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Pardon, but this part I don't understand?

For the moment I see one single ramjet-AAM on this model and this one fits nicely to the PL-21 description we know since years.... rumorwise it has been renamed PL-20 or PL-2X as such, you are correct PL-20, and PL-21 are the same.

The PL-17 however is said to be the PLAAF designation for the ULR_AAM, we've seen so far only on the J-16 and this is another missile:

View attachment 58685
Don't worry it was a reply to my quoted comment. It was said there are four of these longer ranged missiles. PL-15, ramjet powered one, the J-16 carried long one pictured in your post, and the PL-15 for J-20 (six in the bay). So essentially since these are distinct, there is only one in his list of four that can be attributed to the PL-17/PL-20/PL-21. Basically I'm trying to say that four longer ranged missiles is a total guess with the assumption that only a "sino-meteor" can be this fourth mysterious one when we have all these PL designations.
 

stannislas

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China May Buy More Su-35s to Replace Older Aircrafts: Reports TASS:
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here we go again......every once a while, some random western media was going to quote some random person talked on random Russian media about China was going to buy this or that, su-35, su-57, etc. Then more media came out and write more articles rubbishing China from its engine, to production, aircraft... Those trash were later translated into Chinese and went around all the forums, and translated back to English and back here or there...and things repeat again and again.

Seriously, I'm not saying this thing is not true or not going to happen for sure, but until something becomes really concreate, can we please stop posting this kind of spam over and over again?
 

Deino

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here we go again......every once a while, some random western media was going to quote some random person talked on random Russian media about China was going to buy this or that, su-35, su-57, etc. Then more media came out and write more articles rubbishing China from its engine, to production, aircraft... Those trash were later translated into Chinese and went around all the forums, and translated back to English and back here or there...and things repeat again and again.

Seriously, I'm not saying this thing is not true or not going to happen for sure, but until something becomes really concreate, can we please stop posting this kind of spam over and over again?

Exactly ... In fact I was already surprised why none of these menstruation-like BS-reports popped up since months.
 

Inst

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I don't see why it makes no sense for the PLAAF to acquire more Su-35s. They're based off Russian production lines, first, so their purchase doesn't impact Chinese production capability. Second, the larger the Su-35 ecosystem, the less expensive the Chinese upkeep of Su-35s becomes. Third, the Chinese help prop up the Russian MIC so they can continue to offset the US.

Notice the timing of all of this. The Russian Ruble should have collapsed further as the Russians and Saudis started a price war with the Americans in the oil market. This is probably a great time to pick up a buy.
 

AndrewS

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I don't see why it makes no sense for the PLAAF to acquire more Su-35s. They're based off Russian production lines, first, so their purchase doesn't impact Chinese production capability. Second, the larger the Su-35 ecosystem, the less expensive the Chinese upkeep of Su-35s becomes. Third, the Chinese help prop up the Russian MIC so they can continue to offset the US.

Notice the timing of all of this. The Russian Ruble should have collapsed further as the Russians and Saudis started a price war with the Americans in the oil market. This is probably a great time to pick up a buy.
Plus no one else will be buying Su-35s, given the coming global Coronavirus recession.

So yeah, it would be a good time to pickup some Su-35s, especially if they were offered at bargain basement prices.
 

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