GreenestGDP
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Flanker Pugachev Cobra maneuver
China Flanker Thread II
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GreenestGDP
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IMHO,
Well, it is very much related to Flanker performance.
Only Flanker can do Pugachev Cobra maneuver.
( someone please prove me wrong )
Have you ever seen the video of any other aircraft beside Flanker who can perform Pugachev Cobra maneuver ?
Plenty of people think that Flanker Pugachev Cobra maneuver is only good for Acrobatic show, and useless for Combat maneuver. Well, I think Pugachev Cobra maneuver is a very significantly useful for dogfighting combat.
Since, I am no expert, I would like to see if anybody can show me a scientific proof that Pugachev Cobra maneuver is only good for Acrobatic.
As I have posted in the past, there must be a strong reason -- why for 4 years in a row, J-11xx and Su-30MKK have won the Golden Helmet Confrontational combat competition using ( 2 on 2 + SAM battery + ECM battery ).
Why do I say that ?
Because, the last picture that J-10A won the Golden Helmet was in 2011. Since then the PLAAF J-10A pilots have been obsessed with beating the J-11xx pilots in their daily Confrontational combat practices, but it has not happen yet on the annual Golden Helmet event.
Maybe, we have to wait for J-10B or J-10C or J-20 pilots to take the crown from J-11xx pilot away.
2015 Golden Helmet winners
Well, it is very much related to Flanker performance.
Only Flanker can do Pugachev Cobra maneuver.
( someone please prove me wrong )
Have you ever seen the video of any other aircraft beside Flanker who can perform Pugachev Cobra maneuver ?
Plenty of people think that Flanker Pugachev Cobra maneuver is only good for Acrobatic show, and useless for Combat maneuver. Well, I think Pugachev Cobra maneuver is a very significantly useful for dogfighting combat.
Since, I am no expert, I would like to see if anybody can show me a scientific proof that Pugachev Cobra maneuver is only good for Acrobatic.
As I have posted in the past, there must be a strong reason -- why for 4 years in a row, J-11xx and Su-30MKK have won the Golden Helmet Confrontational combat competition using ( 2 on 2 + SAM battery + ECM battery ).
Why do I say that ?
Because, the last picture that J-10A won the Golden Helmet was in 2011. Since then the PLAAF J-10A pilots have been obsessed with beating the J-11xx pilots in their daily Confrontational combat practices, but it has not happen yet on the annual Golden Helmet event.
Maybe, we have to wait for J-10B or J-10C or J-20 pilots to take the crown from J-11xx pilot away.
2015 Golden Helmet winners
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Well, just for the heck of it, I could point to this vid of a Saab Draken performing the PG, starting at 1:55
Since you're so obsessed with it not believing anything, what does "scientific proof" consitute for you. A bunch of mathematical formulas, a video of a professor personally known to you?
On the topic of Sino-Flankers, what is the status of J-11B(S) production? There are -11D, -16A & 16D prototypes + the -11B testbed with the -11D / -16D nose, correct?
I'm also currently tracking 9 J-11B regiments, 7 of which have BS associated with them. 1 BS only regiment, as a conversion unit? And 3 B regiments with no BS associated?
Since you're so obsessed with it not believing anything, what does "scientific proof" consitute for you. A bunch of mathematical formulas, a video of a professor personally known to you?
On the topic of Sino-Flankers, what is the status of J-11B(S) production? There are -11D, -16A & 16D prototypes + the -11B testbed with the -11D / -16D nose, correct?
I'm also currently tracking 9 J-11B regiments, 7 of which have BS associated with them. 1 BS only regiment, as a conversion unit? And 3 B regiments with no BS associated?
Engineer
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The illustration you posted is already the proof. The plane flies in a straight line despite the nose pointing elsewhere. Flying in a straight line is not going to dodge any bullet or missile.
Brumby
Major
Do you realise that your whole premise of the utility of the Pugachev Cobra in air combat is based on supposition upon supposition?
You can knock yourself out on scientific proof by the missile aerodynamics simulator found here :
or you can read some of the more technical discussions about missile evasion found here :
I'd say all of those assertions are wishful thinking, I have started a thread in the members club room, for our flights of fancy under the Heading? Air Combat Maneuvering, feel free to join me and maybe we can hash this out to everyones satisfaction??
Blackstone
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Do we know with certainty J-11s with WS-10 engines can indeed perform the Pugachev Cobra maneuver?
The Flanker's ability to perform Pugachev's Cobra has to do with the plane's design, not the engine.
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