China Flanker Thread II

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rhino123

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AESA radar probably produced lots of heat when scanning. Light color reflects heat. White and silver works best but too striking and probably causes too much reflection. Light grey color will be the best choice.

Sounds possible. However, J-20 seemed to be in a black or very dark grey color, I think it too have AESA radar :confused:
 

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according to chinese blogger.the J-16 was modified as a testbed for avionic

But that's wrong - even if several post in several chinese forums all speak of a J-16 - since this radar-testbed only has a single-wheel front gear like a standard interceptor-Flanker, whereas the J-16 has two wheels.
 

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I'm sorry... I know someone mentioned that to differentiate an AESA radar equipped Flanker or J-11 to a non-AESA equipped one was by the colour of the randome. Was it anything special of the AESA radar that required grey coloured randome (must have grey coloured randome) and any other colour simply cannot, or was it just a colour code for people to differentiate AESA radar equipped aircraft to non-AESA radar equipped aircraft?

It's possibly something more practical. It could be related to the type of material that is more suited to the transmission of the radar wave band used, which would suggest that a new type of radar was being tested, possibly AESA.
 

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Re: ¦^��: China Flanker Thread II

I hope this is the text You posted ... :confused:

Some analysis citing big shrimp pupu:

超大资讯证实歼11D预计在2014年首飞,属于空军立项的短平快项目。

pupu日落说过11D项目早就存在,因为11B、BS出现的问题,11D曾经被束之高阁。目前重启11D项目,明年首飞,进度很快。同为三代半重型空优战斗机,大面积引进苏35的说法和快速研制11D的项目,必然有所冲突。兔子未来三代半重型空优战斗机的布局有点扑朔迷离。

1. 歼11D与歼20、粽子、10B、16无论在时间上和定位上都无冲突,从11D牵扯其他国产战斗机的讨论没有必要。不要扯功能重复,因为三代半重型空优战斗机对兔子不可或缺;也不要扯服役时间晚,因为到2020年,兔子都还有大量二代机和三代退役机需要替换。笔者认为,歼11D研制成功与否和实际战斗力,按道理只和引进苏35的时间和数量有关系。

笔者认为兔子在2015年引进一到两个团的苏35应急,如果研制顺利,到2018年后空军换装歼11D形成三代半重型空优大机群。如果11D研制不顺利或者性能不达标,继续引进苏35作为主战装备,11D可能被压缩甚至砍掉。(航电升级版11B,进度应该可以保证了,但是对苏35的替代性弱了,如果苏35好买,偶估计空军还是希望引进一定数量苏35的)

2. 空军立项研制11D,并且进度飞快,如果不是为了谈判苏35虚晃一枪(可能性不大),那至少说明空军对601和沈飞有信心,他们可能通过11B的问题和15、16的研制,已经基本完全攻克27系的结构和气动问题,对改进航电、材料甚至隐身结构有信心。这个是长期困扰CDER的裤衩问题。(超大更新主帖,11D是11B的航电飞控升级版,没有气动和结构的改进,这样看11D研制服役难度不大,601和SF的研发能力也没有面临新的大幅度挑战)

3. 11D形成高性能最大的障碍还是来自于发动机。由于众所周知的原因,11D用毛发的可能性极低。最大的可能性选择是太行B,然而太行今年好像在某新型飞机试飞过程中又出现双发停车的问题。不过幸好11D的定型应该还有几年时间,这给动力成熟提供了一定的时间窗口。不管这么说,发动机将会是11D形成高性能的要素中最大的拦路虎。

4. 歼11D的研制,无论如何对空军引进苏35的谈判应该有很大帮助。pupu爆料说苏35谈判非常艰苦。(上航电升级版11B,也许说明购买苏35的难度比预想中的更大)

5. 歼11D的定位应该是美帝研制的沉默鹰,三代半加局部隐身设计。与苏35相比,应该隐身性能和BVR能力更强,由于发动机原因,机动性和近距格斗能力更弱。(超大主帖改变,11D只是11B的航电飞控升级版,看来11D和苏35还有不小的差距啊!)

6. 兔子未来的空军配置方式越来越接近于美帝

四代重型空优战斗机:歼20vsF22
四代中重型多功能战斗机:粽子改vs肥电

三代半重型空优战斗机:歼11D/苏35vsF15C改进型
三代半中型空优战斗机:歼10BvsF16改进型

三代+多用途战斗机:歼16vsF15E;歼10CvsF16C/D
现役三代战斗机:苏27sk、歼11A、歼11B、歼11BS、歼10A/AS。

盼星星盼月亮,等待2020年,空军三代四代全系列战斗机格局形成的那一天。。。

If not, could You please repost or edit this one, all I see are different letters and signs (no Chinese characters) ! :(

PLEASE.

Deino
 
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SinoSoldier

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I hope this is the text You posted ... :confused:



If not, could You please repost or edit this one, all I see are different letters and signs (no Chinese characters) ! :(

PLEASE.

Deino

Really? I see it perfectly ... will try to repost with different browser
 
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