China Flanker Thread II

[SinoSoldier]

J-16 draw less interest because it still use the flanker airframe, unless they can reduce the RCS of the basic flanker airframe design to good LO, J-16 will still have the problem of avoiding radar detection. Though I would expect J-16 to have better performance than SU-30MKK/MK2 since it is expected to be equiped with latest avionics and strike management suite.

In strike role, using stealth or any means (eg, stand-off range) to avoid detection before launch of missiles/bombs is of paramount importance to completion of strike mission and survival of the aircraft.

I don't think you get what the J-16 is for. The J-16 is what comes after the J-20, providing the bulk of the air support much like how USAF F-15E would come in after the mission by F-117.

 

[Air Force Brat]

I don't think you get what the J-16 is for. The J-16 is what comes after the J-20, providing the bulk of the air support much like how USAF F-15E would come in after the mission by F-117.

Actually the JSF was designed to operate behind the ATF. The F-35 is quite stealthy in and of itself, but it has been designed to operate after the F-22 has cleared the airspace of mean A2A and G2A, although the F-35 does have capability in both arenas! And yes we do have operational F-35s at present, but none assigned to combat duty! Brat

 

[plawolf]

Since when did the F22 get ATG capabilities?

 

[Hyperwarp]

Since when did the F22 get ATG capabilities?

I guess he is referring to the the GBU-39 & GBU-32 (1000 lbs) internal carriage. But if you want anything else, you'd have to the external stores.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Actually the JSF was designed to operate behind the ATF. The F-35 is quite stealthy in and of itself, but it has been designed to operate after the F-22 has cleared the airspace of mean A2A and G2A, although the F-35 does have capability in both arenas! And yes we do have operational F-35s at present, but none assigned to combat duty! Brat

Wait, I thought the JSF is designed to make surprise attacks on key enemy installations without the need for air cover since it essentially fills the role of the earlier F-117. It would make much more sense to send in waves of F-15E after the initial attack by the JSF, don't you think?

 

[Air Force Brat]

Since when did the F22 get ATG capabilities?

The F-22 is only slightly less capable than the F-35 A2G, especially in a stealth configuration, why do you think the Raptors are in the middle east?

 

[montyp165]

The F-22 is only slightly less capable than the F-35 A2G, especially in a stealth configuration, why do you think the Raptors are in the middle east?

F-22s are more for air superiority projection than A2G, particularly since the F-35 software and internal structures are much more optimized for A2G work.

 

[Air Force Brat]

I guess he is referring to the the GBU-39 & GBU-32 (1000 lbs) internal carriage. But if you want anything else, you'd have to the external stores.

So I guess JDAMs and SDBs don't work were y'all are from? the F-22 is far more stealthy, far more agile, and can pop ya and be gone at mach 1.8 in supercruise. To market the F-35 you've got to "say" it can do something better than the F-22? You guys get an F for the day, and hyperwarp, you passed but barely. You guys are always selling the poor little Raptor down the river, and really why do you think the Raptor is in the Middle East? Birthday Party?

Air Superiority Projection? The F-22 is a far more survivable platform first day than anything else, the F-35 will likely be up to the job assigned, but it was not "designed to be a stand alone platform first day" can it? It may have to if your F-22s are otherwise occupied, and there are in fact at 22:53 hrs CTS only 185 Raptors, but at 8 to 1 plus kill ratio it will prolly be enough. But really Air Superiority Projection?

 

[Hyperwarp]

So I guess JDAMs and SDBs don't work were y'all are from? the F-22 is far more stealthy, far more agile, and can pop ya and be gone at mach 1.8 in supercruise. To market the F-35 you've got to "say" it can do something better than the F-22? You guys get an F for the day, and hyperwarp, you passed but barely. You guys are always selling the poor little Raptor down the river, and really why do you think the Raptor is in the Middle East? Birthday Party?

Air Superiority Projection? The F-22 is a far more survivable platform first day than anything else, the F-35 will likely be up to the job assigned, but it was not "designed to be a stand alone platform first day" can it? It may have to if your F-22s are otherwise occupied, and there are in fact at 22:53 hrs CTS only 185 Raptors, but at 8 to 1 plus kill ratio it will prolly be enough. But really Air Superiority Projection?

WTF? What on earth are you driveling about?

Where did I say the F-35 is better than the F-22?

Fact is, the F-35 will never provide the level of Air-Superiority the F-22 does. That why it is in the Middle-East & Japan. F-22 is not a bomb-truck, though I the YF-23 would have been better at Air-Ground options because of the deeper weapons bay.

 

[Air Force Brat]

WTF? What on earth are you driveling about?

Where did I say the F-35 is better than the F-22?

Fact is, the F-35 will never provide the level of Air-Superiority the F-22 does. That why it is in the Middle-East & Japan. F-22 is not a bomb-truck, though I the YF-23 would have been better at Air-Ground options because of the deeper weapons bay.

Actually the YF-23 has a smaller weapons bay, and the reduced surface area of the V-tail made it less agile, and as I stated the F-22 is quite capable air to ground, and far less likely to be interdicted by air or surface opposition. That is drivel to you, but as the AFB coming home is very high on my mission priority list. So stop your whining and educate yourself, the YF-23 lost out to the F-22 because the F-22 is a better airplane, period. Air Superiority is the primary mission of the Raptor, but a deep surgical strike is also on the A list of its capablities, think about it!