China Flanker Thread II

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Hendrik_2000

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Another couple of flanker pics:

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Yup seem like PL 10 . This is important development! finally. Gee this week week are treated with so many goodies.
First the Y8W ASW, JSOW and now this Plus the freshly minted J11B. Let refresh the memory, this is what Rick Fisher has to say about PL 10
Xinhui in his blog seem to say the same thing
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Internet source imagery from January 4 has offered the first glimpses of what may be China’s emerging 5th generation air-to-air missiles (AAM). One missile, called the PL-ASR or PL-10, shows a very close resemblance to the South African Denel A-Darter AAM. A second image, discovered on a China’s Northwestern University web site in mid-December, shows another missile similar to the radar-guided South African Denel R-Darter, designed in cooperation with Israel. Both of these missiles are likely designed for use with modern Helmet-Mounted Displays (HMD), which enable pilots to “look to kill” their targets. But there is more: additional imagery suggests that a previously reported ramjet powered development of the Chinese Luoyang PL-12 active-radar guided AAM, called the PL-13, could give the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) an AAM that could out-range existing U.S. AAMs.[1]



Luoyang PL-ASR/PL-10: This image obtained from Chinese web pages on January 4 was the first revelation of the existence of the advanced PL-10 5th generation AAM. The text indicates development began in 2004 and production is expected by 2010. The missile also has a 90 degree off-bore-sight view and a “Lock On After Launch” capability, meaning it can better exploit high off bore-sight firing. Source: CJDBY web page.

Data along with one image suggests the PL-10 could enter production in 2010 but it is not known when the other two new AAMs would enter production. When they do enter service, these AAMs could give both old and new PLA Air Force fighters a decisive advantage over Taiwan Air Force fighters armed with shorter range U.S. AIM-9 Sidewinder and AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles. The PL-ASR/PL-10 could have up to double the range of the new U.S. AIM-9X, the first U.S. HMD sighted AAM, which is just now entering service with U.S. Air Force and Navy squadrons. The ramjet powered “PL-13” may out-range current variants of the AIM-120.

Absolute determination of AAM capabilities is greatly hampered by the efforts of governments and manufacturers to deny information, such as that regarding missile range and countermeasures, which would allow potential adversaries to gain an advantage.[2] Furthermore, the utility of an AAM is also determined by many attributes of the carrying aircraft: its radar and electronic support systems, the availability of off-board sensor data, and the degree of training and experience of the launching pilot. But there is little margin for error when considering a major factor such as weapons, especially when considering that China’s increasing numbers of competitive 4th generation combat aircraft may be followed by 5th generation combat aircraft early to mid-next decade. Absent a U.S. response, such as the purchase of more 5th generation fighters, the development of a new generation of AAMs, or even the purchase of more capable European AAMs, the air power balance in Asia could shift dangerously toward China.
 
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By the lack of photos of this missile in service I think it's safe to say PL-10 has not entered production yet. And I'm not even sure if these pics of flankers are actually equipped with PL-10, could very well be sensors or the like. The big issue is that there does not seem to be tails or strakes at all, which we've seen in the most recent illustrations.

Also if that is a missile, it seems too big to be an SRAAM and too small to be an MRAAM.
 

Hendrik_2000

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the missile appear to be to big for SRAAM.
huitong claim the missile is PL-15.

It is normal to have longer missile as the the range is twice as long as standard SRAAM 20 km vs 10 km. So definitely it need to carry more fuel mean longer missile. I don't see it as instrument pod because they are thin normally instrument pod are thicker

This missile has been in development since 2004 And was tested repeatedly last year. so it is about time they come into production. Schedule wise match with huitong schedule give or take 1 year

This is from Huitong website

PL-10 (K/AKK-10?) is the next generation IR-guided missile in the same class as AIM-9X, ASRAAM, A-Darter and IRIS-T. It features an IIR seeker and TVC, giving the missile a 90° off-boresight angle and excellent IRCCM capability against aerial target maneuvering at high-gs. It also has a "lock-after-launch" capability, which could extend its range to BVR. A recent drawing reveals 4 narrow stabilizing strips are attached to the mid-section. The development of PL-10 started in 2005 and a test round was launched from the ground in November 2008. The development was projected to be completed by 2010.
- Last Updated 1/2/11
 
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plawolf

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A News Video

[video]http://junshi.blog.china.com/201111/9003922.html[/video]

That is just tabloid reporting, and bad a one, since there are many obvious errors and the 'expert' they rang was talking a load of nonsense.

The only thing worth noting is that the video reported that during a recent exercise, PLAAF aircraft intercepted a low flying missile with guidance from PLAN assets. Hardly an earth shattering revelation, but given how they managed to mess up on so many obvious points elsewhere, I would prefer confirmation from another source even for that much.

Journalistic standards desperately improving no matter what language they speak or where they come from...
 
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