This is the real reason why neocons are pushing for abortion ban. You think they’d care if blacks and Hispanics are responsible for most of the abortions?
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This is the real reason why neocons are pushing for abortion ban. You think they’d care if blacks and Hispanics are responsible for most of the abortions?
Good evidence, but questionable conclusion. If birth rates are crashing across the globe, even for those with extremely generous childcare related policies, why would China buck the trend by following them?
This reminds me of the rat utopia experiment. When given everything they want with ample food and space, rat population initially surged. Once a certain density was reached, self destructive behaviour occured and the rats would drive themselves to near extinction. While humans are obviously more complicated than rats, we also have more modern allures that are far more enticing than raising children.
Median incomes not rising fast enough to keep up with increases to total cost of living is kind of a proxy for growing rat population density in a cage. That alone shouldn't be enough to cause this birth rate crash given we're not rats, but then you combine it with the doom and gloom of climate change, the high 20-30 year cost of raising a new person that is sufficiently educated to excel in modern society, the need for a 30 year mortgage to afford home ownership, the high cost of education, the high cost of childcare, the very low or even negative ROI on all that education investment (for the parents), women's excellence in education and labor force resulting in a greater proportion of men being insufficiently qualified as providers/mates (it's a relative thing), birth control, abortion, persistent low grade stress, long commutes, and modern entertainment. That's a cocktail for people not wanting to have kids.
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I completely disagree. It all boils down to ethnicity. If Joshua Huang is the dominate voice for Hong Kongers/Chinese then that just means that is where the trend of political thought for ethnic Chinese is trending. I don't disagree that immigrates can't integrate, but it must be tightly controlled and limited. Mass immigration in Western Europe and North America have opened an Pandora's Box that can never be reversed and have left a permanent effect/stain on those respective countries. While I believe extremely limited immigration can be tolerated, I hope East Asia countries (most importantly China) does not fall for the cosmopolitan delusions of diversity.
The rat utopia experiment was a population explosion that drove natural resources down to unsustainable levels which led to a massive die off from starvation and excessive violent competition. This scenario had happened to humans in geography with limited resources like Easter Island.
But on the mainlands where resources are plentiful like Eurasia and the continents except Antarctica, human groups -- tribes or nations -- were most often wiped out and replaced by other human groups.
Rome didn't die from a falling population. It was destroyed by it began allowing Germanic tribes to enter its borders. The very tribes that later took over all of Europe from Franks to the Goths to Angles and Saxons.
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Meanwhile, at roughly the same time and 5000 miles to the East, in Jin dynasty China, 5 tribes of Qianigic/Turkic/Tungusic origin were allowed inside the Great Wall...
South Korea's much-lauded 7.4% increase in fertility rate only brings it up to just below Taiwan, and that's with massive government spending and direct cash payments. This issue is way beyond just a financial one.
North America has natives and the whites are Europeans immigrants too.
Very different.
Jin Dynasty itself was Jurchen and Tungusic, basically the forerunners of the Manchus. Which brings us to the Ch'ing and the Manchus being a historically Sinicized group on the Chinese borderlands (who were always going to be more accepted than say the Yuan and the Mongols though there were many Mongol groups that were sinocized along the borders but never to the extent of the Tungus.)
The Roman example would be the Romanized Celts of Gaul and Britannia that were part of empire for centuries. They lost along with the Romans to the Germanics. The legend King Arthur was basically a fable of the Romanized Celts versus the German tribes (including Vikings.)
To parallel China and the Ch'ing, the Romanized Celts would have had to do what the Manchus did for China in annihilating the Mongol tribes (Dzungars, Khalkars, Oirats) by crushing the Franks in Gaul and the Angles and Saxons in Britannia. Italy itself was overrun with Goths and Lombards with subgroups like the Visigoths extending to Spain. The Romanized Greeks held for a thousand years in Byzantins.
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