Europeans colonized half of the globe, they were already some of the richest countries from slave trade and resource extraction and America has absorbed the excess populations of Europe.
China demographics thread.
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FriedRiceNSpice
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Stop projecting the situation in HK onto all of China.
I guess in the next 15 years with emigration continuing south, there will be 20 million people in Heilonjiang. In 2010 there were 38m, 2020 census 31.8m.
Heilongjiang has the worst demographic situation in China. In 1990s there were 500k births a year, now 96k
Heilongjiang has the worst demographic situation in China. In 1990s there were 500k births a year, now 96k
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Per several Mainland experts on Dongbei matters during a talk at CUKH back in the 2010s, the whole social-political climate in Dongbei (particularly Heilongjiang and Liaoning) are not conducive to economic growth. They mentioned something about gangster-like social political environment. Whilst economic crime remains a serious challenge in China, such problem is arguably the worst in Dongbei per these experts. Not sure why! I am no expert when it comes to Dongbei's social-political culture. I only know it is China's rust belt and PRC's industrial heartland in the 50s (albeit industrialisation began under Zhang Zuolin's rule). It was also Imperial Japan's industrial backwater. Any one here an expert on decline of Dongbei?
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
That's easy. Dongbei people are fucking crazy.
I learned the hard way. My wife told me she's from Shandong when we met. Turns out only her paternal grandfather is from Shandong. Extremely respectable man, PLA special forces in Korea at a time when there was no special forces. Deadly accurate and long range when throwing WWII-style drumstick grenades. Was so important to his unit, they carried him into battle when he was bed-ridden with fever just for his throwin' arm. Anyway, the rest are all from Dongbei. Aaand now the goddamn circus is in town.
Every family in Dongbei has at least one dude who became a gangster. According to my wife, that's her 195cm older cousin, who allegedly Ivan Drago throat-lifted a dude when he cut in front of her in line. That's also the person I'm to be careful for if we end up divorced. At least he can't sneak up on me...
Half the people in Dongbei have stabbed someone before, though not fatally, as long as you conduct your poll outside of prison.
2 guys could be friends for decades, go drinking, get into an argument and one guy will off the other with a shovel to the head.
Arguing is the provincial hobby. Every loving family does it... every day. My in laws are always at each others' throats one minute, acting completely normal the next. My father in law calls his wife, "the mental patient" as her nickname. 65 years old, they get into arguments about who made more lifetime money/contributions to their family in the middle of the night escalating into shouting until my father in law leaves the room to sleep outside. He comforts himself over a bowl of milk, rice, and 1 raw onion, his favorite breakfast. When asked what happened, he says he needed to escape from the mental patient continuously spitting at him. When I asked my mother in law if she spat at him, she says says she coughed once and he fucked off outside. They basically agreed to divorce each other since my wife was 5 years old, pending her moving out to college so she wouldn't need them to provide her a traditional home anymore; supposedly the only reason they're still together is because they got too lazy to do it. According to my wife, this is an average household in Dongbei; they don't argue much at all compared to the norm over there.
Once during an argument I got wrapped into, my father in law threatened to kill me. Said he's 30 years older than me so he'll figure it out, and I'll die before him. Just watch. I've never ever been spoken to like that in my life. After a nap, he woke up totally fine smiling at me, sharing food. Later, when my wife asked him what he said to me in private, he asked how could I take him seriously as he's a feeble old man and he'd have an easier time chopping down a tree with his bare hands than causing injury to me.
(Credit where it's due, though, my father in law was carrying my 20 month old daughter in his arms when he slipped. He protected her with both arms and braced the fall by sticking his head out, sustaining a nearly skull-deep laceration above his brow that took 6 stitches to close, and lost consciousness and vision for a few minutes. The first thing he did when he regained speech was look for my daughter and ask if she's ok, with blood pouring down his face and completely disoriented, calling her name as she was standing and crying right next to him. In the hospital, which he didn't want to go to despite his brow hanging down an inch lower than the other one from the cut, he said, even if he died, he couldn't let her get hurt.)
Women in Dongbei are considered cute when they are fierce. When my wife is under stress, she blows up at everyone in the house one after the other, except her father; they get along great with each other. When asked why she does this while I can control myself, she says it's because she's such a gentle person, she doesn't make me mad but she's the victim of my idiocy so by pointing out her temper, I'm actually victim-blaming.
One time we got into a fender-bender in a parking lot. I drove into an empty parking spot through a hatched area but the other person opened her door without checking, so she doored my front fender. My wife immediately got out and screamed at her. The other driver defended herself and screamed back. I went in the middle and said, "OK, let's all just calm down; we can call insurance and they'll handle it. Screaming isn't gonna make things better for anyone." My wife was then enraged that I didn't take her side and immediately went off the rails in public about, "Why don't you go sleep with that ugly whore tonight!!?" Then she called her parents and told them, in a publically audible tone, that her husband is off to screw a random ugly whore he found in the parking lot after she hit his car." Exactly half an hour later, she wrapped herself around my arm again giggling while happily shopping for dinner. Circus.
Half the reason we did surrogacy in Kazakhstan was to preserve her physique; it's impressive as she has a slender but muscular build which shows visible abs with no gym maintenance. According to her, her cousin also had such a physique... until she gave birth to 2 kids. Now she looks like a female bear. So I'm not taking any chances, but the other half of the reason is that if she's this crazy normally, I think she might burn my house down if she got angry while pregnant. Essentially, by paying for surrogacy, I'm getting a free house by saving mine and guaranteed 4 kids in 4 years. That's a deal.
Even when she wasn't pregnant but expecting, she became stressed because the doctor reported that our second child had wrapped his umbilical cord around his neck so they might need to induce birth early if he shows signs of distress. This got her in such a mood where she became annoyed when my mom (who is a doctor) kept calling asking for updates so while flinging a sofa cushion at me, it went overhead and took out the ceiling light, raining glass down in the room. When explaining to our Kazakh Aribnb host how this happened, she said the wind did it. Nobody knew how to respond and I just held my face in my hand.
If this sounds difficult to imagine, watch this instagram account. This lady sounds exactly like my wife, accent, sentence structure, demeanor, everything. It's cute because the clips last for 20 seconds and you can escape by changing the web browser, but not so much when you live in it. There are so many fans admiring the page saying they want to marry a fiesty lady like her. Fucking idiots have no idea what they're asking for.
Oh and it's also cold as hell and basically Chinese Russia.
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Dongbei people run stores and hotels in all of China's warmest tourist spots. Check out Yunnan and Hainan.
They've been escaping that frozen landscape for decades now.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Yeah and it's always obvious as hell which businesses are theirs. Go to Harbin Restaurant in Almaty, Kazakhstan. The owner is from Dongbei. Even when he's bringing your dishes to the table and saying, "Please eat slowly and enjoy. Use this bell to call me should you need anything else," he still looks like he's there to chop off your hands. They probably never had a send-back since they opened and that's not meant as a compliment to the food (which was good, not great).
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Would you say that whist Dongbei men have the kind of traditional masculinity similar to conservative Eastern Europeans, Dongbei women somehow is "not as feminine" as defined in a traditional patriarchal sense?
Family story is Harbin sister-in-law stabbed a guy in high school then took him to hospital but not before telling him to shut up about how he got a stab wound.
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
I don't think it's masculine to be unreasonable, gangster-like and to bring rage into the family and towards one's own spouse. I think it's masculine to be calm, principled, to treat family members with kindness and tolerance while being fearsome and strong when needed in the outside dealings when defending one's own interests, which are generally tied to providing for the family.
The women are called Dongbei female tigers for their own standard of attractiveness, but essentially, they are crazy. They can be very sexy and feminine in the traditional way in one minute, they curse like a pirate the next, then go back to being sexy the next minute. They probably have the most modlesque look in all of China; they're tall, slender, fair-skinned with tall noses. That's how they hook you in to overlook the crazines. If they were fat, ugly and always acted fierce and unfeminine, they could not get married. I think the people there like danger, gambling with which version of her you'll encouter this time. And I think that's just fucking crazy.
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