China demographics thread.


SleepyStudent

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LMAO, what kind of an imagination do you have? Your claim of me being a supposed racist is based on an assumption that has no merit to begin with. Now that is truly shoving words down my throat, and you not only showed your colors but also revealed that you are full of crap. There is literally no need to debate with you anymore. Also, bringing up acronyms doesnt make you look like an adult, my child. Like I said: lets wait ten years and see what is going to happen. When an economy enters into significant trouble, an already divided society like that of the US will fall quickly. Until then, there is no need to debate with you.
Tell me, what were the massive instabilities in California in 2008?
 

SleepyStudent

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I didn't realize that growth being affected was some prerequisite to considering something unstable.

You remind me of this guy:

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The only reason you care is because you think multiculturalism is bad for power b/c of social instability. That's....not the case. Even in ethnically homogenous cities like Detroit and Seattle, you had protests and similar rates of violent crime. Violent crime is higher in all US jurisdictions and California existing in its form (or New York or Maryland or Hawaii or New Mexico or Texas or Florida or Georgia or Arizona or Nevada) prove that multiculturalism does not necessarily create social instability and that multicultural areas can have incredible productivity and technological development. I've focused a lot on California since I have a special sympathy for Silicon Valley but the experience of multitudes of US states is that you can have socially stable situations even in areas that are rapidly diversifying and that are minority-majority.
 

sinophilia

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The only reason you care is because you think multiculturalism is bad for power b/c of social instability. That's....not the case. Even in ethnically homogenous cities like Detroit and Seattle, you had protests and similar rates of violent crime. Violent crime is higher in all US jurisdictions and California existing in its form (or New York or Maryland or Hawaii or New Mexico or Texas or Florida or Georgia or Arizona or Nevada) prove that multiculturalism does not necessarily create social instability and that multicultural areas can have incredible productivity and technological development. I've focused a lot on California since I have a special sympathy for Silicon Valley but the experience of multitudes of US states is that you can have socially stable situations even in areas that are rapidly diversifying and that are minority-majority.

I never mentioned multiculturalism actually, which I do indeed think isn't great but is hardly the reason for why Detroit is a hellhole worse than any city in China, or for why LA and pretty much all major American cities are turning slowly into nightmares. Belgium is multicultural with their southern Walloons and northern Flemish peoples' forming one country but it doesn't seem to be catastrophic, just not ideal.

Also, you keep conflating racial or cultural diversity (which again?) with being a majority-minority state. Presumably Detroit is a majority-minority city according to your definition, so does that make it "diverse" or "multicultural" according to your definitions?
 

Hendrik_2000

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I don't know about him, but I prefer a more homogenous population. Since you find them cute, welcome them to your USA as she has been doing for donkey years.
Yes accepting complete foreign culture is not desirable and will only disrupt the social stability. China should only allow immigration from East Asia it also look nicer like this video
Modern Chinese women are too materialistic making finding a mate difficult but no such problem for women from neighboring country and they are easily assimilated since close culturally

 
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sinophilia

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Yes accepting complete foreign culture is not desirable and will only disrupt the social stability. China should only allow immigration from East Asia it also look nicer like this video
Modern Chinese women are too materialistic making finding a mate difficult but no such problem for women from neighboring country and they are easily assimilated since close culturally


Unfortunately it's not really possible as there are barely any Koreans or Japanese to use as a reservoir for population growth, and even if there were China is a different animal entirely. With 1.4 billion people, to get the same robust population growth as the US, you'd need 4.2 million annual immigrants. Nothing even close could come from Korea and Japan. And that's assuming Chinese fertility rates stay the same as American rates, instead of plummeting even further which is more likely. In that case you may be talking about as many as 8 million annual immigrants.

The only real way out of this fertility crisis is a Manhattan Project/Apollo Program equivalent in China but for baby-making. It is absolutely 100% possible. Israeli non-Haredi Jews have a TFR of 3.0! Note I said non-Haredi, so I'm excluding the ultra-religious element entirely. It didn't come down from 4 or 5 TFR or something either, it's been growing every year for the last two decades. China can absolutely do the same thing if it really tried.

There is no country in the history of mankind like China when it comes to mobilizing its population for a certain event or act. What it did for COVID, harmoniously getting 1.4 billion people to stay inside and follow all mandated protocols, and the people responding on cue and with such poise and symmetry, is unprecedented in Human history. It's never been done before.

And so when Western countries talk about how impossibly hard it is for nations to incentivize more births and so the case for China is hopeless, they are only projecting their own flaws nothing more. China can absolutely do it, all it takes is willpower, and it looks like fairly soon the government might be ramping up to do so.
 
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FriedRiceNSpice

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Yeah, I made a typo. But even in the *poorest* part of the Los Angeles metro (Orange County says hi), GDPPC is $72K. Even the GDPPC in Pudong doesn't get up to $72K. Los Angeles has a large population so even with a large Gini coefficient, that it can reach $72K implies massive technological development and innovation and economic power. Poorer minorities suggest significant growth opportunities and the main contention of the thread: "the US being ethnically diverse is destabilizing for US power" is bullshit. California is minority-majority and has Silicon Valley, large corporate headquarters, insanely productive research universities (UCB, USC, UCLA, CalTech, Stanford) and a GDPPC nearing $80K. California was one of the first states to become minority-majority and is one of the most prosperous and technologically advanced states in the United States. Your racist notion that somehow ethnic diversity is the death knell of American power is flat up wrong.
Correlation does not imply causation. You cannot say that diversity or the large Hispanic population directly caused California to excel in wealth creation and technological innovation. One particular ethnic group has contributed much more to Silicon Valley in the past thirty years than any others, and it's definitely not the Hispanics (though I am not marginalizing their role in the overall economy of California).
 

ansy1968

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Unfortunately it's not really possible as there are barely any Koreans or Japanese to use as a reservoir for population growth, and even if there were China is a different animal entirely. With 1.4 billion people, to get the same robust population growth as the US, you'd need 4.2 million annual immigrants. Nothing even close could come from Korea and Japan. And that's assuming Chinese fertility rates stay the same as American rates, instead of plummeting even further which is more likely. In that case you may be talking about as many as 8 million annual immigrants.

The only real way out of this fertility crisis is a Manhattan Project/Apollo Program equivalent in China but for baby-making. It is absolutely 100% possible. Israeli non-Haredi Jews have a TFR of 3.0! Note I said non-Haredi, so I'm excluding the ultra-religious element entirely. It didn't come down from 4 or 5 TFR or something either, it's been growing every year for the last two decades. China can absolutely do the same thing if it really tried.

There is no country in the history of mankind like China when it comes to mobilizing its population for a certain event or act. What it did for COVID, harmoniously getting 1.4 billion people to stay inside and follow all mandated protocols, and the people responding on cue and with such poise and symmetry, is unprecedented in Human history. It's never been done before.

And so when Western countries talk about how impossibly hard it is for nations to incentivize more births and so the case for China is hopeless, they are only projecting their own flaws nothing more. China can absolutely do it, all it takes is willpower, and it looks like fairly soon the government might be ramping up to do so.
@sinophilia bro you forgot Vietnam, Cambodia , Thailand and the Philippines, Here a lot of Chinese man married local girls as a way to have permanent resident visa to settle here and most had become successful businessman. And the Chinese men are very productive, most of them had a minimum of 3 children, with mixed raced (mestizo) they have beautiful facial features and many of them represent my country in many beauty pageant.
 

nlalyst

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Unfortunately it's not really possible as there are barely any Koreans or Japanese to use as a reservoir for population growth, and even if there were China is a different animal entirely. With 1.4 billion people, to get the same robust population growth as the US, you'd need 4.2 million annual immigrants. Nothing even close could come from Korea and Japan. And that's assuming Chinese fertility rates stay the same as American rates, instead of plummeting even further which is more likely. In that case you may be talking about as many as 8 million annual immigrants.

The only real way out of this fertility crisis is a Manhattan Project/Apollo Program equivalent in China but for baby-making. It is absolutely 100% possible. Israeli non-Haredi Jews have a TFR of 3.0! Note I said non-Haredi, so I'm excluding the ultra-religious element entirely. It didn't come down from 4 or 5 TFR or something either, it's been growing every year for the last two decades. China can absolutely do the same thing if it really tried.

There is no country in the history of mankind like China when it comes to mobilizing its population for a certain event or act. What it did for COVID, harmoniously getting 1.4 billion people to stay inside and follow all mandated protocols, and the people responding on cue and with such poise and symmetry, is unprecedented in Human history. It's never been done before.

And so when Western countries talk about how impossibly hard it is for nations to incentivize more births and so the case for China is hopeless, they are only projecting their own flaws nothing more. China can absolutely do it, all it takes is willpower, and it looks like fairly soon the government might be ramping up to do so.
How do you exactly propose the PRC achieves this? Nowadays, women in China dominate their husbands and I don't see your dream materializing organically anytime soon.
 

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