China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread


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ougoah

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escobar said:
Nice story, now count the number of PLARF missile launcher
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Broccoli said:
There is a small hole in your theory.... PLARF doesn't have enough missiles for 3000 warheads unless you think they'll use slingshots to fire them (especially since most numerous missiles are conventionally armed).
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Both of you fail basic maths and comprehension. Nowhere did I say China has over 1000 warheads. Furthermore, you both realise that missiles aren't all TEL launched right?

There are containers that can be disguised. There are plenty of silos. There are SS launched missiles and then there are cruise missiles and various non-ballistic missile delivery platforms. All those technically need warheads. So no it isn't a matter of counting launchers. That's as stupid as trying to work out how many leashes a household has by counting number of dogs inside a single room.

Iran has at least one revolver style launch facility in the mountains. China's been building underground launch facilities since the 1960s.

What else? China doesn't report how many launchers it has. So good luck finding out. Chinese rumours from usual "official" disinfo and info agents always talk about thousand/s of missiles. Sure many are short ranged and many are used conventionally but that also doesn't negate anything.

Even it it were a matter of counting launchers, how on earth would either of you know better? You're just as in the dark as I am. I could say there are indeed 1000 launchers and neither of you could prove otherwise.

Again read my post and see that it is trying to prove that thinking China still only having 300 warheads like it preferred everyone to think back in the 1990s is pretty shallow minded. The Chinese economy and industry has grown many orders of magnitude since the 1990s. The threats have grown and yet it would keep its warhead count as is? Dream on. It's 100 times wealthier and could actually get into a nuclear war with the US as Chinese leaders may have made contingencies for.

Again prove to me China has <1000 silos and launchers then we'll talk otherwise it's cool story from you two. At least I can reason my hypothesis out unlike you guys still with the "bU...BuTt ChYnA seYs dEY hAs onLY 30o nuKulARs."

...oh and each ICBM and SLBM usually carrier quite a lot more than 1 warhead. So 10 silo DF-5s could potentially have up to 40 warheads possibly more.
 
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ougoah

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The Chinese government's official disclosure back in the 1980s/1990s of having an estimated range around UK and/+ France is certainly intentionally ambiguous and almost definitely under reported!

China back then was trying to hold a very low profile. Especially where it came to strategic military abilities. There is simply no way China of the 1990s would overstate its warhead stockpile and if it were for deception, they wouldn't say 300.
 
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wolf

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ougoah said:
Both of you fail basic maths and comprehension. Nowhere did I say China has over 1000 warheads. Furthermore, you both realise that missiles aren't all TEL launched right?

There are containers that can be disguised. There are plenty of silos. There are SS launched missiles and then there are cruise missiles and various non-ballistic missile delivery platforms. All those technically need warheads. So no it isn't a matter of counting launchers. That's as stupid as trying to work out how many leashes a household has by counting number of dogs inside a single room.

Iran has at least one revolver style launch facility in the mountains. China's been building underground launch facilities since the 1960s.

What else? China doesn't report how many launchers it has. So good luck finding out. Chinese rumours from usual "official" disinfo and info agents always talk about thousand/s of missiles. Sure many are short ranged and many are used conventionally but that also doesn't negate anything.

Even it it were a matter of counting launchers, how on earth would either of you know better? You're just as in the dark as I am. I could say there are indeed 1000 launchers and neither of you could prove otherwise.

Again read my post and see that it is trying to prove that thinking China still only having 300 warheads like it preferred everyone to think back in the 1990s is pretty shallow minded. The Chinese economy and industry has grown many orders of magnitude since the 1990s. The threats have grown and yet it would keep its warhead count as is? Dream on. It's 100 times wealthier and could actually get into a nuclear war with the US as Chinese leaders may have made contingencies for.

Again prove to me China has <1000 silos and launchers then we'll talk otherwise it's cool story from you two. At least I can reason my hypothesis out unlike you guys still with the "bU...BuTt ChYnA seYs dEY hAs onLY 30o nuKulARs."

...oh and each ICBM and SLBM usually carrier quite a lot more than 1 warhead. So 10 silo DF-5s could potentially have up to 40 warheads possibly more.
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Hello
I don't this is the way to ask a question.
But I don't find a another way
Can any one tell me what kind of military vehicles the Chinese army has against nuclear, chemical warfare
Thanks al ready

Grtz

Jiri
 
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quantumlight

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hashtagpls said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357583541639344131

This tells me that US leaders have seriously mooted the idea of nuking China as a viable option in retaining hegemony. They are going Heinlein 'violence is the ultimate authority' and considered the retaliatory strike of ~300 nukes and worldwide condemnation is worth it if they can prevent China surpassing them.

US leaders need to be made to understand and digest the fact that going down such a route invites the possibility of genetically poisoning themselves and their descendants from strontium and cobalt clad thermonuclear weapons.
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1) As emergency stopgap, buy some nukes from Russia... For mutual trust/security reasons Russia may not want to sell/transfer nukes wholesale to China nor would China "trust" Russia that much to accept delivery on face value, so just the refined core. Making nukes is 1950s technology but one of the bottleneck is the refining process if China wanted to scale up in quantity quickly....

2) Create and implement a modern deadhand/perimeter system and announce it to the Western world be it publically or secret gov back channels. Use a well trained AI nueral network that is hardcoded to strictly follow objectives/directives yet flexible to use its intuition and judgement in the proper big picture and high level context to make such decisions... simply, if it detects China has been wiped out or all humans in the chain of decision making are nuetralized, it starts an initialization to launch retailatory strike on its own... in the off chance the AI made mistake, it can only be overridden by the same members of CCP that would hold the authority to call a launch in the first place. So humans can launch without AI; AI can launch on its own but gives humans in the loop the chance to override and standdown... only when AI both believes China/CCP got destroyed by US and there is no countermand order that it would be able to go through with its self initiated launch...

3) I understand why nukes cannot be recalled once launched, but it doesnt have to be so binary. If China builds more quantity of nukes as it should this affords it to make a small portion of recall-able nukes, to be the first batch sent in the launch on detect group (assuming China change its policy of NFU etc) so if it turns out detection was mistake the nukes can be recalled but if it wasnt a mistake, China would still have available its stock of non-recallable nukes even if US compromised those initial batch of nukes and disabled them via the same mechanism as a recall code. And if all else fails then deadhand/perimeter AI would eventually kick in at the tail end...

4) As part of AI deadhand system Have a series of high orbiting satellites that scan for launches towards China if it detects a launch any one of those satellites can send an activation code to a much further away probe(s)/relay(s) and the probe(s) will constantly repeat the code/signal back to earth ...

Every now and then (say China has fully automated autonomous nuclear drone submarines) if these units pop up to get a reading if it gets hit with that signal it will launch its birds... likewise the same could apply to any other delivery vehicle and mechanism.. the point is if the probe/reflector/repeater/broadcaster is far away sufficently it affords China's deadhand mechanism months maybe years to extract revenge....
 
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Annihilation98

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China always make silo in the middle of desert where satellite can easily detect. But why cant they make silo under mountainuos area which is more harder for missile to penetrate and detect. Mountain area can provide good defence against nuclear earth penetrator like w88 & w87 which yield is 475kt. China has many higher mountain like in sichuan , qinghai and tibet etc
 
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