China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread


Hendrik_2000

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There should be no doubt as to what is this Anyone denying is dumb as hell From Henri K blog
What a coincidence: When looking out of my plane on Sat / Sun night, I apparently saw a Chinese military rocket test. Perhaps intercont ballistic submarine-launched JL2, or 1st full test flight of the new JL3. My report in German
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New report from the Washington Free Beacon on the JL-3 test flight:

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JL-3 flight test timed to Shanahan visit to Singapore
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BY: Bill Gertz
June 13, 2019 5:00 am


China conducted a flight test of its newest strategic submarine-launched missile, the JL-3, coinciding with the visit to Asia earlier this month by Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan.

American defense officials confirmed that U.S. intelligence agencies assessed the June 2 flight test off the coast of northern China to be a JL-3 missile, Beijing's newest underwater intercontinental nuclear missile.

The flight test appeared timed to the speech at a Singapore defense conference a day earlier by Shanahan, who issued a harsh rebuke of Chinese bullying and hegemony in the South China Sea and elsewhere in Asia.

The missile was launched from a submarine test platform located in the Bohai Sea and flew west to an impact range in western China.

The flight test was reported in several Chinese online outlets, including the major commercial web portal Sina, as a JL-3 with a range of up to 7,400 miles.

One report on Sina Military stated that the JL-3 flight test included the use of a hypersonic glide vehicle—the ultra-high-speed maneuvering missile warhead designed to defeat U.S. missile defenses.

The defense officials said they were unable to confirm that the latest test involved a hypersonic last stage to the JL-3.

The JL-3 is expected to carry multiple, independently targetable reentry vehicles—warheads capable of targeting numerous cities.

A Pentagon spokesman declined to comment on the latest test.

The first flight test of the new missile was
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by the Washington Free Beacon in December.

The JL-3 missile is part of a major buildup of Chinese nuclear forces that includes several new land-based strategic missiles, a new bomber, and new submarine-launched missiles. According to the Pentagon, China already is planning a follow-on version to the JL-3 that has not yet been deployed.

The Chinese missile test followed the speech by Shanahan at a defense forum in Singapore that was critical of the Chinese.

Shanahan indirectly called Chinese actions in Asia "perhaps the greatest long-term threat to the vital interests of states across this region." He accused China of seeking to undermine the rule-based international order.

"These actors undermine the system by using indirect, incremental actions and rhetorical devices to exploit others economically and diplomatically, and coerce them militarily," he said. "They destabilize the region, seeking to reorder its vibrant and diverse communities toward their exclusive advantage."

The Chinese activities include deploying advanced anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles on disputed islands in the South China Sea in a bid to take over the entire strategic waterway used for several trillion dollars in trade annually.

Chinese influence operations are interfering in the U.S. political system, and predatory economic policies are seeking to gain leverage over developing nations.

China also is continuing to steal technology and trade secrets through cyber attacks and other means.

"We can’t wish away reality or continue to look the other way as countries use friendly rhetoric to distract from unfriendly acts," Shanahan said, referring to Chinese actions. "Now is the time to call out the mismatch between words and deeds by some in the region and encourage them to work constructively and transparently toward a positive future."

Chinese defense minister Gen. Wei Fenghe issued a threat against the United States at the same conference. "As for the recent trade friction started by the U.S., if the U.S. wants to talk, we will keep the door open," Wei said. "If they want a fight, we will fight till the end."

China in the past has used its military tests to send messages to visiting American officials. In January 2011, China conducted the first flight test of a new stealth jet, the J-20, during the visit of then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates. In his memoir Duty, Gates recalled that an aide described the J-20 test as "about as big a ‘fuck you' as you can get."

Sina Military quoted a commentator, Chen Guangwen, as saying the missile was photographed and video-recorded by several Chinese online who described it as a luminescent object traveling over Shandong, Shanxi, Henan, and Hebei Provinces.

Authorities in eastern Liaoning Province, the area closest to the launch point, had issued an air closure notice to airmen for aircraft to avoid the region prior to the test firing. The region includes China's main submarine port.

The reported flight path stretched from the Bohai Sea to Xinjiang Province and was similar to an earlier test.

According to the Sina article, the use of a hypersonic last stage for the test is designed to defeat anti-missile systems and was likely one reason the test was given "partial publicization" of the hypersonic test by Chinese authorities. Beijing is known to tightly control all media regarding missile tests and other sensitive military activities.

Rick Fisher, a China military affairs expert, said China's propaganda organs, like the South China Morning Post, tried to spin the flight test as something other than a JL-3 test.

"China's timing of a JL-3 test the day of Chinese defense minister Wei Fenghe's speech before the Shangri La conference served to underscore his threats against Taiwan and the United States," said Fisher, a senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center. "Every day China gives us another reason to view it as a rogue nation whose malevolence can only be contained by superior military force backed by active alliances."

Fisher said the June 2 event was the second JL-3 nuclear missile test.

The flight test was a "blatant nuclear missile threat," Fisher added, underscoring the finding of a new Pentagon Indo-Pacific strategy that states China "seeks Indo-Pacific regional hegemony in the near-term and, ultimately, global preeminence in the long-term."

China's PLA Rocket Forces, which is in charge of Chinese missile forces, posted a photograph of a road-mobile missile on its Twitter-like microblog account on Weibo with the rhetorical question, "Do you believe in UFOs?" a reference to initial reports that the flight test was an unidentified flying object.

That was followed by the PLA Navy posting a picture of a missile being launched from an underwater platform with the same question, "Do you still believe in UFOs?"

The South China Morning Post said the missile tested was a land-based missile.

German freelance journalist Hinnerk Feldwisch-Drentrup witnessed the flight test from the window of his Finnair commercial flight from Helsinki to Hong Kong. Light from the missile was spotted near Mongolia. "Apparently I had actually captured the test of a ballistic missile with my camera," he told Der Spiegel.

"It's our understanding that the JL-3 will be on the new Type 096 [ballistic missile submarine], which we expect to begin construction in the 2020s," said one defense official. "Not sure if existing platforms will be retro-fitted, or if the JL-3 is only for the future platform."

Little is known about the JL-3 missile. It is a solid-fueled system and follows the JL-2, China's sole deployed submarine-launched nuclear ballistic missile.

A Chinese report from 2017 quoted Chinese military experts as saying the new missile is based on the new DF-41 road-mobile strategic missile and is part of China's "second-strike" nuclear retaliation capability.

The report said a Type 032 submarine was recently modified for testing the JL-3.

According to the report in the Keiji Ribao, a publication of the State Science and Technology Commission, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and the State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense, JL-3 is said to be similar in capability to Russia's new Bulava submarine-launched ballistic missile and better than the U.S. Trident II D-5 missile.
The highlighted portion in red somewhat reflects "Yankeesama"'s prediction that there will be a follow-on variant of the JL-2 in addition to the next-generation JL-3.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Via JSCh


Speculation rife about DF-17 after video shows hypersonic vehicle
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/6/24 14:16:42


An animated video released by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation shows a boost-glide vehicle reentering the atmosphere. Photo: Screenshot from Passion News
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China's missile manufacturing giant showcased hypersonic boost-glide vehicles in a recent animated video, and media reports speculate that the weapon might be the DF-17 of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Rocket Force.

Such weapons, which Russia and the US are developing, are very difficult to intercept due to their hypersonic speed and high mobility, experts said Monday.

The animated video, released by the state-owned China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) on its social media platform Douyin account, shows the launch of multiple boost-glide vehicles, which reenter the atmosphere and hit an underground command center.

This is the first time the company has shown a simulated animation on a boost-glide vehicle, Passion News, a media outlet under k618.cn, a news portal run by the Communist Youth League of China Central Committee, reported on Sunday.

A boost-glide vehicle, which is essentially a warhead, is stored in the nose of a missile, and will be released once the rocket booster sends it fast and high enough. It will then fly over the upper edge of the atmosphere, changing directions frequently, which makes it very difficult to intercept by anti-missile systems, Wei Dongxu, a Beijing-based military analyst, told the Global Times on Monday.

Such a glide vehicle flies at hypersonic speeds, so the enemy has little time to react, Wei noted.

Russia's Avangard and the US' AGM-183A missiles also use similar technologies.

Citing analysts, Passion News said the weapon in the CASIC video could be the DF-17 of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Rocket Force, as reports said the DF-17 missile uses a hypersonic boost-glide vehicle as its warhead.

The Chinese military has not yet announced any hypersonic glide vehicle deployment.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Well at least the spoke person of Defense minister does not deny it via Bahadur

Submarine-launched missile meets national security needs: Defense Ministry
By Guo Yuandan and Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/6/27 22:28:42

On Monday, the People's Liberation Army Navy posts a file photo of the firing of a submarine-launched ballistic missile on Sina Weibo, China's Twitter-like social media, asking, "Do you believe [there are] UFOs, too?" Photo: screenshot of Sina Weibo

The scheduled test was normal, China's
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said on Thursday, when asked about the alleged test launch of a JL-3 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) on June 2.

"These tests are not targeted at any country or objective," Defense Ministry spokesperson Ren Guoqiang said at a routine press conference.

Ren was responding to a question from the Global Times on reports that residents claimed to have seen an unidentified flying object (UFO) on June 2.

Just as media and netizens speculated on the true nature of the UFO, relating it to a naval exercise that took place in the Bohai Sea and Bohai Straits at the same time, the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force and Navy hinted on June 3 that the "UFOs" could be missiles launched.

Chinese and foreign reports then speculated that the missile could be China's new SLBM, the JL-3.

During the press conference, Ren did not explain what weapon was used in the test, however, if the information provided in the question was wrong and it was not the JL-3, the spokesperson would have denied it, as in many previous cases, military analysts said.

Military experts told the Global Times that the JL-3 is China's latest SLBM under development that is expected to reach targets farther away with higher accuracy and capable of carrying more warheads than China's current SLBMs.

The SLBM might have a range of up to 14,000 kilometers and be equipped with 10 independent guided nuclear warheads, Russia's state TV channel Russia Today reported.

China always pursues a defensive national defense policy and active defense military strategy, Ren said, noting that developing weapons and equipment meets the basic needs of safeguarding national security of China.
 

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Sorry about the garbage source, I'll update with more solid sources as the story develops.

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Chinese military conducts anti-ship missile tests in hotly contested South China Sea

WASHINGTON — China has been conducting a series of anti-ship ballistic missile tests in the hotly contested waters of the South China Sea, according to two U.S. officials with knowledge of the matter.

The Chinese carried out the first test over the weekend, firing off at least one missile into the sea, one official said. The window for testing remains open until July 3, and the official expects the Chinese military to test again before it closes.

While the U.S. military has ships in the South China Sea, they were not close to the weekend test and are not in danger, the official said. However, the official added that the test is "concerning." The official, who was not authorized to speak about the testing, could not say whether the anti-ship missiles being tested represent a new capability for the Chinese military.

The Pentagon did not immediately respond to CNBC and NBC's requests for comment.

The development comes as the United States and China have paused tensions in their ongoing trade battle. U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed over the weekend at the G-20 summit in Japan to not impose new tariffs on each other's goods. A trade deal between the two countries fell through in the beginning of May.

The South China Sea, which is home to more than 200 specks of land, serves as a gateway to global sea routes where approximately $3.4 trillion of trade passes annually.

The numerous overlapping sovereign claims to islands, reefs and rocks — many of which disappear under high tide — have turned the waters into an armed camp. Beijing holds the lion's share of these features with approximately 27 outposts peppered throughout.

In May 2018, China quietly installed anti-ship cruise missiles and surface-to-air missile systems on three of its fortified outposts west of the Philippines in the South China Sea, a move that allows Beijing to further project its power in the hotly disputed waters, according to sources with direct knowledge of U.S. intelligence reports.

According to U.S. intelligence reports, the installations mark the first Chinese missile deployments to Fiery Cross Reef, Subi Reef and Mischief Reef in the Spratly Islands. The Spratlys, to which six countries lay claim, are located approximately two-thirds of the way east from southern Vietnam to the southern Philippines.

By all accounts, the coastal defense systems represent a significant addition to Beijing's military portfolio in one of the most contested regions in the world.

The United States has remained neutral — but expressed concern — about the overlapping sovereignty claims to the Spratlys.

Still, the United States and China have disagreed over several issues regarding the South China Sea.

"China does need to have necessary defense of these islands and rocks which we believe are Chinese territory," high-ranking Chinese Col. Zhou Bo told CNBC in June. His remarks came after then-acting U.S. Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan said America would no longer "tiptoe" around Chinese behavior in the region.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Chinese military conducts anti-ship missile tests in hotly contested South China Sea

WASHINGTON — China has been conducting a series of anti-ship ballistic missile tests in the hotly contested waters of the South China Sea, according to two U.S. officials with knowledge of the matter.

The Chinese carried out the first test over the weekend, firing off at least one missile into the sea, one official said. The window for testing remains open until July 3, and the official expects the Chinese military to test again before it closes.

While the U.S. military has ships in the South China Sea, they were not close to the weekend test and are not in danger, the official said. However, the official added that the test is "concerning." The official, who was not authorized to speak about the testing, could not say whether the anti-ship missiles being tested represent a new capability for the Chinese military.

The Pentagon did not immediately respond to CNBC and NBC's requests for comment.
Not sure who are these people according to two U.S. officials with knowledge of the matter. Any confirmation If true it is milestone Anyway Henri K blog pick up the news and confirm the area of the test

The closed area for military exercise in the South China Sea, active from June 29 to July 3, turns out to be a fallout zone for Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles, according to US officers. Danzhou is one of the possible shooting sites.





 

Hendrik_2000

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Well they now confirm it as JL3 after all
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In early June, residents in several provinces in central China claimed that they had spotted a mysterious light moving across the sky, with the People's Liberation Army Rocket Force and Chinese Navy hinting at the time that it could be a secret military test.

China’s Ministry of National Defence spokesperson Ren Guoqiang told reporters on Tuesday that the country had successfully tested the Julang (JL)-3, a next-generation intercontinental
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“The scientific research and tests were conducted according to plan are normal”, Ren said, adding that the test had not targeted “any country or specific entity".

Ren’s statement came in response to reports about a mysterious light thought to be shot from Zhengzhou in Henan province on 2 June, alarming locals and prompting speculations about a classified missile test.

US officials in turn claimed that after the JL-3 was launched from a submarine test platform in the Bohai Sea, it covered several thousand miles before falling on a missile impact range in western China.

The third-generation Julang (‘Big waves’)-class missiles are specifically designed for
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earlier reported that the JL-3 can carry more warheads than the country’s current submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

The JL-3 has a full operational range of about 8,700 miles (about 14,000 kilometres), which media reports say allows the missile to obliterate potential targets throughout most of the United States.



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“China has always followed a defence policy which is defensive in nature and an active defence military strategy. The development of weapons and equipment is to meet the basic needs of safeguarding China's national security”, he pointed out.

Ren’s statement came in response to reports about a mysterious light thought to be shot from Zhengzhou in Henan province on 2 June, alarming locals and prompting speculations about a classified missile test.

US officials in turn claimed that after the JL-3 was launched from a submarine test platform in the Bohai Sea, it covered several thousand miles before falling on a missile impact range in western China.

The third-generation Julang (‘Big waves’)-class missiles are specifically designed for
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. China’s
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earlier reported that the JL-3 can carry more warheads than the country’s current submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

The JL-3 has a full operational range of about 8,700 miles (about 14,000 kilometres), which media reports say allows the missile to obliterate potential targets throughout most of the United States.



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I find this interesting article "Re-entry communication through a plasma sheath using standing wave detection and adaptive data rate control". Please let me know if this has been reported in this forum.

It is a research report published in 2016 by
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(Xi'an Electronical Technology University). It is published in "
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" as well. Here is some highlights.
  1. Communication "Blackout" in plasma is NOT total cut-off, but rather weakened (bitrate reduced) and varied (plasma sheath fluctuate).
  2. The researched method use "station wave" to detect the varying condition of plasma (thickness). The detection is fed back to change communication scheme (like link-adaptation in mobile communication).
  3. Ground-based test has been done to demonstrate its validity. 250bps to 4Mbps through a 18-cm-thick and 30-cm-diameter hollow propagation path of plasma (see the diagram). The plasma is in the purple chamber (18cm thick and 30cm diameter). The lowest bitrate is 250bps. Aquired gain is 40dB.
  4. There is NO need for extra physical equipment for the application, as the detection uses existing antenna, the adaptation scheme is pure software.
We know that the Shenzhou spacecraft has communication through plasma blackout capability. I can't say if this is already used on any ASBM, not DF-21D perhaps as it was deployed some time ago, but maybe DF-26 as it only went into operational in 2018.

My point of speculation is that, this tech will make sure unbroken data link from satellite to the warhead for course correction and target update, making the terminal target acquisition (by radar of the warhead) and homing instantly.

The good news is that (point 4), it does not add any bulk or weight, just change a PCB or reload software.
 

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I would never want to be in the shoes of the man who in a scenario of war with China found himself in the Chinese sea while his ship is targeted with 2000-mile missiles by some technician who sips coffee or tea. I think it's relatively easy to trace a cvbg for the Chinese through dozens of satellites and drones, practically the US navy would be dead, without even needing to seriously engage the plan in the open sea. Asbm is a revolutionary old idea (soviets explored the concept in the '60s) made possible by new technology. From economic standpoint a carrier is much more fragile and much more expensive than an airbase, it can be taken out with ten missiles and it costs billions of dollars and will take to the bottom thousands of lives if sinked. Very risky deal for US
 

localizer

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I would never want to be in the shoes of the man who in a scenario of war with China found himself in the Chinese sea while his ship is targeted with 2000-mile missiles by some technician who sips coffee or tea. I think it's relatively easy to trace a cvbg for the Chinese through dozens of satellites and drones, practically the US navy would be dead, without even needing to seriously engage the plan in the open sea. Asbm is a revolutionary old idea (soviets explored the concept in the '60s) made possible by new technology. From economic standpoint a carrier is much more fragile and much more expensive than an airbase, it can be taken out with ten missiles and it costs billions of dollars and will take to the bottom thousands of lives if sinked. Very risky deal for US
China needs to develop some sort of lower altitude or underwater equivalent to GPS. Satellites also seem like relatively easy targets tbh.
 

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