Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36)

reservior dogs

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F-22 and F-35 should have better stealth.
While I agree with your general assessment about the balance of power shifts, I don't agree that F-22 and F-35 having better stealth. Looking at how smooth the surfaces are for the J-35, I would say that it most likely have better stealth compared to F-35. It is not clear how J-20 compared to F-35. F-22, judging from the geometry, might have better stealth compared to J-20(the J-20 has canards), but the design is old and material science and 3D printing have come a long ways since F-22 was build, so I won't even bet a lot of money that F-22 is more stealthy compared to J-20. the F-22 and the J-35 have similar clean geometry, but given that J-35 came much later, I would say it should have better stealth compared to F-22.
 

sunnymaxi

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While it is true that the two entities don't share talent pool, they are both under the same parent company AVIC and will share many critical technologies. It is hard to imagine that YangWei, after he was put in charge of AVIC, would not move key staff from Chengdu to Shengyang to boost the research capability of Shengyang. To see two sixth gen fighters coming out from the two corporations at about the same time while using similar controls for a tailless design, one can't help but wonder if the control of the sixth gen fighters are shared. We also saw Xian flying something similar. They have not been know to have any advanced research abilities to develop these kinds of control system in the past. So while there is fierce competition, they do share technology when it is needed.
correct. shared same supply chain and technologies.
 

Aval

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Nope. CAC and SAC are two separate entities having own chief designer with separate talent pool. they don't share talent and obvious they comes under AVIC.

J-35 didn't develop in 2021, its roots goes back to FC-31. which made its maiden flight in 2012. and J-35 design team average age is 33 years only.

J-36/J-XD designed by two different school of thoughts. CAC and SAC fiercely compete with each other.

as i said earlier, despite being the later comer China rewriting the rules of military aviation. thanks to the largest talent pool in human history and industrial base. just look at the number of engineers each year graduate from Universities.

I'm aware that the teams are separate, however I imagine that key personnel and technologies can be/are transferred between programmes as required. No need to reinvent the wheel. Even the American MIC has movement of key engineers between competing for-profit companies.

Moreover, my main point was that in the 2020s there's now sufficient numbers of talented individuals to have fully staffed, separate teams work on next-gen programmes concurrently rather than sequentially. This is not a minor point, as Pete Hesgeth has been reported by Western watchers to oppose F/A-XX at the current time as he's concerned it will overstretch the American MIC and negatively impact the F-47 programme.

The FC-31 was a private venture by SAC before it officially became a military programme (with associated funding) to produce the J-35. So while the FC-31 tech demonstrator was made entirely by SAC's own talent pool, I suspect it was possible to requisition talent from the wider MIC (that largely exists under the state-owned AVIC banner) once it got picked for the J-35 programme starting sometime in 2021 (this date is based on rumours). Had the J-35 programme launched in 2012 when the J-20 programme was in full swing (first flight being merely a year before), that would suggest China's MIC at the time had sufficient quantity of engineering talent to develop both concurrently, but that clearly did not happen. Of course, this could have been down to China's different/smaller geopolitical aims at the time rather than MIC size, but it could have still played a factor.

We overtly know the Chinese MIC shares tech for 6th-gen because we saw UADF variants with J-XDS AMTs.
 

sunnymaxi

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I'm aware that the teams are separate, however I imagine that key personnel and technologies can be/are transferred between programmes as required. No need to reinvent the wheel. Even the American MIC has movement of key engineers between competing for-profit companies.

Moreover, my main point was that in the 2020s there's now sufficient numbers of talented individuals to have fully staffed, separate teams work on next-gen programmes concurrently rather than sequentially. This is not a minor point, as Pete Hesgeth has been reported by Western watchers to oppose F/A-XX at the current time as he's concerned it will overstretch the American MIC and negatively impact the F-47 programme.

The FC-31 was a private venture by SAC before it officially became a military programme (with associated funding) to produce the J-35. So while the FC-31 tech demonstrator was made entirely by SAC's own talent pool, I suspect it was possible to requisition talent from the wider MIC (that largely exists under the state-owned AVIC banner) once it got picked for the J-35 programme starting sometime in 2021 (this date is based on rumours). Had the J-35 programme launched in 2012 when the J-20 programme was in full swing (first flight being merely a year before), that would suggest China's MIC at the time had sufficient quantity of engineering talent to develop both concurrently, but that clearly did not happen. Of course, this could have been down to China's different/smaller geopolitical aims at the time rather than MIC size, but it could have still played a factor.

We overtly know the Chinese MIC shares tech for 6th-gen because we saw UADF variants with J-XDS AMTs.
that's correct. also CAC and SAC don't operate alone. they have affiliated research institutes/universities and they do share Technologies under AVIC banner.

SAC lost race in J-XX program against J-20 so they decided to develop FC-31 with their own money in order to attract foreign customers. in mid 2010's PLAN was in search for next generation carrier platform so FC-31 got a new life line. since then project continue to evolve and turned into J-35.

SAC reputation among Chinese defense enthusiast wasn't good as they were seen as copycat of Russian aircrafts. they have gone through a hard time. FC-31/J-35 was the first clean-sheet design and again they lost the battle. fortunately PLAN turned everything for them then PLAAF decided to procure A variant due to various reasons. SAC evolved a lot in past decade. now SAC building one of the largest integrated manufacturing complex for J-35 serial production and future J-XD. that's huge facility.
 

taxiya

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