Chengdu next gen combat aircraft (?J-36)

Mearex · 2025-10-28T22:41:33-0400

As a J-XDS stan, I'm really liking the look of the new nozzles. The triple sawtooth TVC flaps are actually gonna go crazy. If it had the carets from the first version, ditched the dorsal intake and changed to tandem seating instead of side by side it will look mean af, and finally like a legitimate fighter.

Mearex · 2025-10-28T22:54:07-0400

ZeEa5KPul said:
Everybody's assuming DSI for the new prototype, but are the photos clear enough to show a bump? It could be a suction mesh gizmo like the J-XDS.

Definitely not. It could very well be a completely new type of intake that's neither caret nor DSI.

latenlazy said:
What I really want to know is whether they've done anything to make that UGLY hump more visually palatable.

A man can dream

ougoah said:
it appears to be less good looking aircraft with this change. Overall performance wise? they want the best for the balance between performance and cost so their decision is obviously going to net a better end product.

There's something so alien about this shape. It's ... perfect.

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It looks more futuristic and exotic than anything including flying wings with the rectangular geometries. Flying wings and the canted wing aircraft like the GJ-x look and feel very um human? This just looks downright otherworldly, faster and more aerodynamic than those flying wing glorified gliders. The overall shape and alignment feels "ruined" with the modification.

Hard disagree. It looks too plain without the sharp triangular TVC nozzles. If anything it saved it from being the cybertruck of planes. It's also not that good looking in general compared to say the J-XDS or F-22, especially once you look at it from anywhere besides the bottom...

Blitzo · 2025-10-28T23:33:17-0400

Blitzo said:
Deleted various posts about the TWZ article which were essentially just throwing angry emotions around.

If one wants to post the TWZ article or any other to have a productive discussion, I encourage everyone which responds to it, to don't react with so much irritation and annoyance and be constructive, and for whoever posts it to offer some kind of constructive commentary rather than an implied or explicit "look at those idiots".

I went to reiterate, people should not make posts where the goal is implied or explicit "look at these idiots".

Lethe · 2025-10-28T23:33:41-0400

I see a lot of folks attributing new exhaust arrangement here to F-22-style 2D TVC in pitch only.

But don't we already have indications from J-XDS photography that both the occluding extensions outboard of engines, and the "stinger(s)" between them, can also incorporate vertical paddles/flaps for limited vectoring of thrust in yaw as well as pitch? See below photo from a few months back.

Syrida2887 · 2025-10-28T23:38:04-0400

Lethe said:
I see a lot of folks attributing new exhaust arrangement here to F-22-style 2D TVC in pitch only.

But don't we already have indications from J-XDS photography that "stingers" between engine nozzles can also incorporate vertical flaps for limited vectoring of thrust in yaw as well as pitch? See below photo from a few months back.

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I have speculated in the related post of J-XDS that the people of AVIC may have reduced the nozzle structure weight and thrust loss of 2DCD to an acceptable level, instead of making so much compromise like F-22.
We have seen how far-reaching the promotion of a certain design will be when it is proved to be effective, which can be seen from the modification of the inlet to their customary formula.

Blitzo · 2025-10-29T00:26:06-0400

Lethe said:
I see a lot of folks attributing new exhaust arrangement here to F-22-style 2D TVC in pitch only.

But don't we already have indications from J-XDS photography that both the occluding extensions outboard of engines, and the "stinger(s)" between them, can also incorporate vertical paddles/flaps for limited vectoring of thrust in yaw as well as pitch? See below photo from a few months back.

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It might have that function, but without clear confirmation, I think it is safer to continue calling it 2D TVC for now.

Mearex · 2025-10-29T00:37:56-0400

Lethe said:
I see a lot of folks attributing new exhaust arrangement here to F-22-style 2D TVC in pitch only.

But don't we already have indications from J-XDS photography that both the occluding extensions outboard of engines, and the "stinger(s)" between them, can also incorporate vertical paddles/flaps for limited vectoring of thrust in yaw as well as pitch? See below photo from a few months back.

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absolutely, that's why I'm deliberately not saying "2D-TVC" but "flat-nozzles" or "triangular-flap-TVC". I know the latter isn't an actual term but I think there is a possibility that we get a flat triangular nozzle that can sway both vertically and horizontally. It makes sense since without a tail you'll need to compensate for yaw

another505 · 2025-10-29T12:50:03-0400

While IR reduction of the first prototype improves rear and bottom aspect stealth. I do think the level it provides is not needed as the J36 should be dominating enemy far away before enemy's IR detection becomes a factor.

This isnt a stealth bomber doing strategic penetration in enemy AD which would require it.

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