Cause and effect of Chinese GDP & ecnomic growth Worldwide.

Re: In 1840, CHina has the highest GDP in the world but.....

This is Ah Q spirit,(阿Q精神)
in that time, China was the world's most populous country,more than two billion,In accordance with the average population,its GDP not the highest in the world.
few years later, only several thousand British troops defeated such the" highest GDP "of dynasty.(天朝)

Re: In 1840, CHina has the highest GDP in the world but.....

bladerunner said:

The person who posted his article on Wiki sourced his information from a reputable source.

IMO Youve got to build the ships first not just have a slightly larger order book to make the claim of being the worlds biggest ship builder. So may I SUGGEST WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID CHINA, BASED ON ORDERS, WAS SET TO BECOME THE BIGGEST SHIPBUIDER DURING 2010

IMO One should also consider how much indigenous content is used in the boat to get bragging rights on who builds the best boats.

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Go check any ship builder in the world nobody built the ship out of 100% domestic source I SAY NO ONE! There are few nation that dominate ship engine in the world If you check underhood any Korean, Japanese or anybody Ship, most likely you will find Sulzer Engine of Warsila, Pielstieck, MAN. They licence the technology to Japanese, Korean or China.

As I say China is the largest shipbuilder based on tonnage and that is the yardstick to decide who is the largest shipbuilder in the world and nothing else
BTW if you don't notice Chosun Ilbo is Korean newspaper

They will be getting even bigger in the future with new Shipyard like Changxin come onstream and over time domestic supplier will provide most of the component I say most because it is neither economical nor desirable to source all your component from domestic sources

Re: In 1840, CHina has the highest GDP in the world but.....

antimatter said:

People putting overwhelming alots of money into real estate means they only know limited way of making money.. Real estate and stock are the primary focus of Chinese people.

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Chinese people as in say, normal citizens or the general public like yourself and myself. But the government are not doing that, and that is the most important thing!

antimatter said:

I am not saying CHina is not getting better. but getting more wealthy without high degree of industrialization is only an invitation to be robbed by others..

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Even if you are highly industrialised, but without a good system to control and maintain your security internally and externally, you will still be rob... So I think you do not know what you are talking about here.

antimatter said:

Let's not compare to China to Singapore, HK, or Taiwan because if the superpower is going to attack those wealthy places, they would be defenseless..

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If a superpower (who ever that is that you are implying) attack any wealthy country, they will be defenseless, unless they have a powerful military to back them up.

antimatter said:

China has a different destiny and a harder path to go. Therefore, China needs to have higher degree of industrialzation than those places to survive.

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Why? Why do china need a higher degree of industrialization than those places (I presume you are speaking of Singapore, HK or Taiwan). And what do you mean by higher degree?

Re: In 1840, CHina has the highest GDP in the world but.....

antimatter said:

India and Vietnam also build ships. No big deal. China has to set the bar higher and do something those countries can't do.

Building the big plane with domestic engine would be one of that but who knows how long it will take for CHina to master.

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Judging from your posts, I am wondering if you know anything about the running of companies or are you just basing on national pride?

Re: In 1840, CHina has the highest GDP in the world but.....

check out this video.

Re: In 1840, CHina has the highest GDP in the world but.....

antimatter said:

check out this video.

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summary please, not everyone in this forum could understand Chinese.

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rhino123 said:

summary please, not everyone in this forum could understand Chinese.

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well essentially, my thread is reflecting his viewpoint.
He's a Chinese military analysis. he see great danger ahead for China as China accumulate more wealth it would become a big target by the imperialist element. He doens't feel China's industrialization is up to par as evidented by the country hollow GDP driven such as real estate, focusing on textile, toys, consumer products... Whatever China has industrywise at this point is not enough.

Maybe some other chinese readers can add more to this...

Re: In 1840, CHina has the highest GDP in the world but.....

antimatter said:

There's denying a big chunk of CHina's GDP growth is based on real estate growth. The bubble economy.

Similar to QIng's palace building and construction.

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You are wrong.

First of all, Qing's palace building was for the enjoyment of an elite few. It did not meet any economic needs, nor was it built to make money. It was also done by using the public treasury at a time when the nation could scarcely afford to maintain its fleet. In contrast, today's China is building housing blocks and infrastructures that are going to be used by people, with the goal of promoting economic growth.

The video you posted makes much ado about a government-built city where no one lives in, but it is curiously lacking in several key details:

1- The video mentions that the "new" city of Ordos was built over 5 years, but fails to mention when it was complete. It also fails to mention just how big this "empty city" is. Upon a bit of research, this seems to be a new development area, a "district" rather than a city. Furthermore, it seems that this district is still so new that many facilities such as schools have not been built yet.


2- This video focuses on one development area while neglecting to mention that there are hundreds of residential development projects going on in China. Are we seeing "empty cities" in other places in China?


3- If the only thing that is preventing people from moving into the city is a too high price, then that means the demand is there. Eventually, either the prices will drop, or people with more money will move in, or both.

Re: In 1840, CHina has the highest GDP in the world but.....

Hendrik_2000 said:

As I say China is the largest shipbuilder based on tonnage and that is the yardstick to decide who is the largest shipbuilder in the world and nothing else
BTW if you don't notice Chosun Ilbo is Korean newspaper

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Here is the source you showed me when i question you.theres nothing about tonnage built

From January to October, China's new orders amounted to 2.71 million CGT, and the market share reaches as high as 52.3%, while new orders in South Korea totals only 1.64 million CGT with 31.8% global market share. This means that China has exceeded South Korea in orders received and new orders and becomes the world's largest shipbuilding country. It is understood that South Korea's shipbuilding industry surpassed Japan in 2000. In the following 10 years, South Korea has been the world's largest ship builder

Note it says on orders received China will surpass Korea .........

the last sentence readsand infers that between 2000-2010 Korea was the largest ship builder,

Re: In 1840, CHina has the highest GDP in the world but.....

Just going to post a few comments here,

1) Building of infrastructure is a must, before that can happen, no industrialization can be completed. Roads, rails, airports, etc, is an essential object, closely supported by power generators such as dams, wind powered electricity generator, solar, and nuclear generator.

2) Industrialization is already well developed in coastal cities and now China is moving their industries back and deeper into China so as to encourage a uniform grow, so point one is very important in the sense that it would attract investment of commerical entities to set up industries there knowing that their final product could be moved around easily and effectively.

3) the video you show of some 'general' might reflect quite well on the current status of China... but do you actually think that the government do not know it? And he is basing on one snow storm to deduce that... but look at the reaction time of China during Shichuan earthquake. China is learning... and learning very fast. So infra-structure supporting all these are needed.

4) Building of economic is seriously needed. Look at recent crisis, China came up quite healthy. What about those nation that are highly 'industrialized' like Taiwan and Singapore? Lets talk about Singapore - negative GDP. Now lets look at US, another highly industrialised nation - unemployment rate hit around 10%, income deficit for many years now. Now let us look back to China - positive growth, even in the crisis, didn't have any overheating yet.

5) What China actually needed to do now and is doing, is to spread her growth inward so that the entire country will be developed. And what is needed?

a) More roads, rails, and infrastructure to support.
b) Water
c) developed and stable taxation system so as to provide attractive packages for investments.
d) power supplies (more nuclear power supplies).
e) manpower (which China already have, just to convince them to move deeper into the country)