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Not good news for the only replenishment ship on the West Coast... depending on the severity of damage, she might be laid up permanently and retired due to her age and a replacement already planned. She was adrift 630km north of Pearl Harbor after a major engine fire. She's being assisted by USS Chosin, and USS Michael Murphy, with the US fleet tug, USNS Sioux heading out to assist. USS Chosin will be conducting the tow, while USS Michael Murphy has taken off family members.

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HMCS Protecteur was preparing to be towed to Hawaii Saturday afternoon by the USS Chosin, a U.S. navy cruiser, according to Commodore Bob Auchterlonie, the commander of Canada's Pacific naval fleet.

Auchterlonie said the crisis was over, and galley services, including fresh water, had been restored.

Supplies were being delivered to to the Protecteur using the Chosin's helicopter. Family members who were on the Protecteur were being taken to the USS Michael Murphy, where they will sail safely to Hawaii, said Auchterlonie.

He estimated Protecteur would be back at Pearl Harbor by Tuesday or Wednesday.

The fleet ocean tug USNS Sioux is also heading towards Protecteur to assist in the towing operations if necessary.

A fire in the engine room of the 44-year-old supply ship had left the vessel stranded in the mid-Pacific in heavy seas.

The fire broke out Thursday around 10:20 p.m. PT as the Protecteur was returning from operational duties with nearly 300 on board.

Auchterlonie says about 20 people suffered minor injuries, including dehydration, exhaustion and smoke inhalation.

He called the fire a 'serious event,' because the engine room contained a lot of fuel and combustibles.
HMCS Protecteur

"There was a significant fire and that crew battled that fire over a significant period of time, and they saved the ship, " he said at a briefing Friday at Canadian Forces Base Esquimalt, west of Victoria.

The fire significantly damaged the machinery that controls the vessel's propulsion system, stranding the ship in the water about 630 kilometres northeast of Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.

The Protecteur is one of two auxiliary oil replenishment ships in the Canadian navy, both launched in 1969.

Auchterlonie said Saturday it was too early to speculate on the cause of the blaze or how the incident would affect the navy's fleet of supply ships.

The Protecteur, which left on Jan. 6 with HMCS Regina, was carrying 279 crew, 17 family members and two civilian contractors. The vessel was returning to B.C. from extended operations with the U.S. navy in the mid-Pacific.
Crew family on board

The Canadian Department of National Defence said earlier that having family members on board for the final part of such a voyage is a common practice with navy ships returning from extended operations and exercises.

The aging Protecteur was damaged last August in a collision with HMCS Algonquin while en route to Hawaii.

The Algonquin sustained the most significant damage in the accident, but the Protecteur also suffered damage to its front end. Both ships were forced to cancel a planned voyage to Australia and instead return to port in Esquimalt for repairs.

The military announced in October that HMCS Protecteur and its sister supply ship on the East Coast, HMCS Preserver, will be retired in 2015.

Construction of new supply ships are expected to begin in late 2016, with a target of having them in service by 2019-20.

Not a very good past couple of months for Protecteur; she was involved in a major collision with HMCS Algonquin while enroute to Hawaii a few months ago which left significant damage to Algonquin's hangar.
 

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Protectuer is back in Pearl Harbour, after a long, eventful tow. The tow line snapped once during the tow, and with the increasingly rough seas and high winds, USS Sioux had to take over the tow from the USS Chosin.

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HMCS Protecteur was towed into Pearl Harbor today, after a fire in the engine room last week caused the vessel to lose power several hundred kilometres northwest of Hawaii.

The Esquimalt, B.C.-based ship was being towed by a U.S. navy ocean tug, and the week-long trip was hampered by rough seas and broken tow lines.

The crew on the ship had been relying on generators to supply power to the galley and living areas after the fire knocked out power to the vessel.

Crew members injured in fire

About 20 crew members suffered minor injuries — including dehydration, exhaustion and smoke inhalation — after a fire broke out in the engine room on Feb. 27 around 10:20 p.m. PT

Crew member Andre Aubrey was conducting personnel and equipment training in the engine room when he says the generator caught fire right in front of him.

"If you can picture a blanket covering everything over top of you and ... you're turning left and right and it's just fire over top of you. You've got to crouch down because you're starting to feel the layers of heat."

"At that point, I was just screaming, fire, fire, fire."

Aubrey says he and other personnel nearby quickly took action to put the fire out. He grabbed a CO2 extinguisher and aimed it at the flames.

"It was so hot. I had to crouch on my knees. The fire was over top of me, and I had to turn on the CO2, direct the fire down, and when the fire's directed down, I just stayed on my knees the whole time," he said.

"At one point, it looked like the fire was out, so I eased off a touch to see if it was out, and it started immediately reflashing, igniting again."

Aubrey says he continued extinguishing the flames until the CO2 bottle ran out, causing the flames to reignite. He told other personnel it was time to get out, and ran toward the control room to tell other officers what was happening.

"All I could see was figures. The control room was already smoked up. ... People screaming, trying to get control of the plant and trying to establish things."

The fire was eventually extinguished. Senior officers from the base in Esquimalt and investigators were on the pier as the ship was towed in on Thursday. The investigation into what caused the fire is expected to begin shortly.

Fire damage is being reported as being 'severe' in the engine room and in adjoining compartments. One sailor in an interview said the fire started at a generator.

She's going to be in Pearl Harbour for a very long time to assess the damage and figure out how she can get back to Esquimalt. But this may be the last voyage of Protectuer if the damage is that bad.
 

Jeff Head

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Protectuer is back in Pearl Harbour, after a long, eventful tow. The tow line snapped once during the tow, and with the increasingly rough seas and high winds, USS Sioux had to take over the tow from the USS Chosin.

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Fire damage is being reported as being 'severe' in the engine room and in adjoining compartments. One sailor in an interview said the fire started at a generator.

She's going to be in Pearl Harbour for a very long time to assess the damage and figure out how she can get back to Esquimalt. But this may be the last voyage of Protectuer if the damage is that bad.
Sounds like some very dangerous, very intense, and very heroic actions on the ship.

The Protecteur is a replenishment vessel (AOR). And she is long in the tooth.

Laid down in 1967, launched in 1968, and commissioned in 1969. She has been in Canadian services for 45 years.

But now the delays on the Joint Support Ship Project are going to really be felt. If they had proceeded according to schedule, the first in that class would already be going into service just in time for this. Now...the Canadian Navy is going to hurt because I do not see any way that this late in the game that they will spend a lot of money to get this vessel ship shape just to so soon be replaced.
 

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Update on Protecteur: She's too badly damaged to sail home on her own power, and may be too badly damaged to sail again. Plan is to tow her back to Esquimalt with a skeleton crew and with all munitions removed. The tow will take 4 weeks to accomplish.

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A little more than a week after it was towed into Pearl Harbour, CBC News has learned HMCS Protecteur is so badly damaged following a fire in the mid-Pacific it will have to be towed home.

It is unclear whether the Canadian navy vessel will ever sail again.

A fire aboard the Esquimalt, B.C.-based ship two weeks ago disabled it so badly it was dead in the water, and had to be towed by a U.S. navy ocean tug into Pearl Harbour, a week-long trip that was hampered by rough seas and broken tow lines.

The crew on the ship relied on generators to supply power to the galley and living areas after the fire knocked out power to the vessel.

About 20 crew members suffered minor injuries in the fire — including dehydration, exhaustion and smoke inhalation.

Now, CBC News has learned the fire caused so much damage Protecteur is unable to sail under her own power and it is questionable whether she will ever sail again.

The navy plans to undertake a marathon four-week tow to return the vessel to Esquimault sometime in April. Crew members will unload the ship of all weapons and ammunition before that happens.

Canadian navy Lieut. Greg Menzies said a skeleton crew will likely be kept aboard during the tow.

Protecteur, launched in 1969, is one of two auxiliary oil replenishment ships in the Canadian navy.

But now the delays on the Joint Support Ship Project are going to really be felt. If they had proceeded according to schedule, the first in that class would already be going into service just in time for this. Now...the Canadian Navy is going to hurt because I do not see any way that this late in the game that they will spend a lot of money to get this vessel ship shape just to so soon be replaced.

Part of the problem was that there was no Canadian shipyard capable of performing the work. The last major shipbuilding project was launched more than 20 years ago - Saint John Shipbuilding Ltd. in Saint John and Davie Shipyard across from Quebec City turned out a dozen Halifax-class frigates. Since then, Canadian shipyards have languished and many had either shut down or gone into bankruptcy as a result.

When the government announced the original Joint Support Ship Project, a plan to build two (or perhaps even three) state-of-the-art supply ships for $2.1 billion dollars, the industry was very reluctant to say the least, due to the high costs of modernizing any shipyard that was selected to build the ships. This was most exemplified when BC Ferries went to Germany to buy three 10,000 ton Coastal-class ferries and one 8,000 ton RO-RO ferry and then went to the Federal government and applied for import tariff relief on the basis that no Canadian shipyard was up to the task.

The National Shipbuilding Strategy was born out of this situation as the federal government realized that there no shipyards in Canada that could forever provide the Canadian government with quality ships at a reasonable price without having to go off-shore. The government has made it a national security policy that Canada should have the ability to build ships in Canada. Today, both Allied Shipbuilders in Vancouver and Irving Shipbuilding are under heavy modernization to be ready for building the new ships coming down the line.
 

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The Commander of HMCS Protecteur was interviewed recently and provided some tidbits as to the efforts fighting the fire:

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HMCS Protecteur crew fought engine fire for 11 hours
Commander Julian Elbourne, captain of Protecteur, speaks exclusively with CBC News

CBC News has learned Canadian sailors aboard fire-stricken HMCS Protecteur last month battled the blaze that disabled their ship for more than 11 hours before they were able to put it out.

The life or death fight was made even more difficult after the unexplained failure of the supply ship's back-up generator, leaving Protecteur dead in the water, in the dark of night, her 279-strong crew struggling through smoke and blackness to fight the fire.

The generator failure also left crews scrambling to find a way to power water pumps to fight the blaze, and refill the air tanks fire teams needed to sustain them as they tried desperately to save their ship.

This new information comes as Commander Julian Elbourne, captain of Protecteur, prepares to welcome naval investigators to the ship, which is tied up in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, in the coming days.

In an exclusive interview, Elbourne told CBC News, Protecteur also suffered a second smaller fire just three days after the first, also in the engine room.

Elbourne says that second fire was caused by fire-damaged electrical cables as the crew worked to restore power to the navy supply ship through that broken generator.

“Some of the cabling within the engine room had melted and become compromised and when we flashed that generator, electricity going through some of that wire caused us to have a minor fire in the engine room that was dealt with immediately,” Elbourne said.
2 fires in 3 days

But that fire was a nuisance, compared to the conflagration that disabled the ship when it broke out at about 7:17 p.m. on February 27.

Elbourne said he was on Protecteur’s bridge at the time.

The vessel was more than a day — and 600 kilometres — out of Pearl Harbour in the north Pacific in rough seas.

The fire allegedly started with some kind of burst of flame or fireball in the main engineering compartment – a gymnasium sized room in the aft half of the ship, with ceilings three stories high.

“In my assessment that is the worst case possibility for a location of a fire on a ship,” Elbourne said in a call from Hawaii.

Protecteur burns fuel to heat steam that turns a turbine for ship power and propulsion. That equipment occupies the massive main engineering space where the fire started.

Within four hours, Elbourne says, his fire teams had contained the blaze in the engineering area but it took another seven or eight hours to “overhaul” the ship and extinguish all smouldering remnants.

“I put a total of 17 attacks teams into that fire over an 11-hour period, so quite significant,” Elbourne said. “Twice during those 11 hours, we had a re-flash, and that’s pretty common with any fire.”
Back-up generator failed

It would be a challenging enough effort tied up alongside in port with shore power and lights to illuminate the work. But Elbourne and his crew did not have that luck.

“It’s dark. It’s night time now. The seas were probably about three to four metre seas. The ship was completely black and I had no electricity on board,” Elbourne said, because the back-up generator failed.

With no power, Protecteur and her crew were left with a single diesel-powered water pump with which to do battle.

“It was an enormous fire. There was smoke throughout, certainly all the after house and the upper decks, there was black smoke so we knew it was a big fire,” Elbourne said.

“We had no indication how long that diesel fire pump would last — how long I would have water to fight the fire, so, we were fighting some pretty big battles.”

The lack of electricity did not just mean no lights. It meant the ship was reduced to using back up, battery-powered communications equipment. It had no ship board loud hailers or Tannoy system and no power to run the two air compressors vital to the firefighting effort.

Each member of the fire crews each wore a self-contained breathing apparatus that require large air bottles to function.

With no power, the two air compressors used to charge those bottles could not operate.

A solution was found in the ship’s stores. Protecteur had been provisioned with a load of humanitarian disaster relief gear, including several gasoline generators, which were found in the cargo hold and pressed into service.

“Our personnel were going through those bottles very quickly and we were having a hard time keeping up with filling those bottles,” Elbourne said.

“I’m 24 years in the navy and it’s certainly the most harrowing experience that I have ever been in.”

Fighting a fire for 11 hours straight with no power in choppy seas, with issues with the O2 tanks, using emergency portable generators that just happened to be stored onboard in the cargo hold to keep equipment running. And after the fire, a second fire starts up when they are trying to restart the backup power systems.

From what I've been hearing, Protecteur definitely has had her last voyage. I've been told that there's significant heat damage to the hull to the point of permanent deformation. The fire was hot enough that it melted boots through heat transfer to the decks. The location of the fire is what really will end her career; in the main engineering compartment. Right above the area where the fire started is machinery control room and in that area a lot of very important wires that were damaged.

With parts no longer being made and the cost to repair, she will be retired early.
 

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The Transportation Safety Board has released its report on the accident between HMCS Winnipeg and the trawler American Dynasty in Esquimalt harbour last April:

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Very interesting read. It is clear that the accident could have been avoided on the part of the trawler through better drills, training, maintenance and safety measures. The lack of communication onboard the trawler is one of the key issues that lead to the accident in the first place.
 

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The Transportation Safety Board has released its report on the accident between HMCS Winnipeg and the trawler American Dynasty in Esquimalt harbour last April:

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Very interesting read. It is clear that the accident could have been avoided on the part of the trawler through better drills, training, maintenance and safety measures. The lack of communication onboard the trawler is one of the key issues that lead to the accident in the first place.
I was not aware that the American Dynasty was as large or as modern as she was. I envisioned a smaller, older vessel.

The events that led to the vessel speeding up after a power loss and veering off and striking the Canadian warship is a list of cascading errors...many of which would have prevented the collision had they not occurred, starting with the need to shut down of the engines during the transfer, proceeding to having a well maintained set of contacts and their circuitry, proceeding to the enabler switch for the mergency generator being in the "off" position, to the Master not using the sound phone to tell the engineer what was happening so he could exercise manual control from the engine room, etc., etc. Just some crazy stuff that should never have occurred with a well trained and experienced crew on such a vessel.
 
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A sign that the Iroquois class destroyers are getting too long in the tooth to serve; HMCS Iroquois is reported to have structural cracks in the superstructure, and this means she can only operate in a limited capability in fair sea states.

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Damage to HMCS Iroquois will restrict future missions

Patrick Smith

Ottawa Citizen

A Canadian military ship will be limited in future operations after cracks were discovered on the upper part of the vessel in late February.

The HMCS Iroquois, an air defence destroyer ship that has been in use by the Royal Canadian Navy since 1972, suffered stress fractures to the superstructure – the part of the ship above the main deck – as a result of stress from the sea’s movement.

The damage, on a portion of the ship that is above water, were discovered while HMCS Iroquois was completing a fleet exercise off the East Coast of the United States.

Further examination of the ship while it was docked in Boston, Mass. showed that the cracks’ impact were not serious enough to affect the current exercise. HMCS Iroquois was able to complete its mission and return to Canada.

However, the Citizen has discovered that the ship, which is currently docked in Halifax, N.S. while engineers further assess the damage, will only be able to operate at limited capacity when the weather is bad.

Specifically, the Iroquois will be unable to navigate waters when the waves are particularly heavy.

The 42-year-old vessel typically operates in the North Atlantic Ocean, known for its rough water. The ship was declared safe enough to continue sailing in winter conditions during the examination in Boston.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Man the Canadian navy seems to be falling apart. Maybe they should partner with the USN and procure some Burke's I mean Canada and the US have a relationship that is far closer then anyone save for Britain.
 

Rowing_Ming

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Well, the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) is currently looking for a suitable design for the Single CLass Surface Combatant to replace all the City-class frigate and Tribal-class destroyer. They are supposed to start building them in 2018...
 
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