Bhutan: Dangerous liaison


AndrewS

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Is this confirmed? When I googled "China Bhutan $10 billion" this japanese website seems to be the only source of this. It contains other stories of "Xi Jinpin's loyalists" and "black shirt man in China". I wish I have more time doing research,maybe later
Nikkei articles are pretty authoratative.

It's the equivalent of the Financial Times in London, or the Wall Street Journal in New York.

I've come across some of their other articles, and they do a fairly good job.

This one below is an example. It's all factually accurate, but it doesn't capture the full extent of Ye/Hakka influence and history, nor does it go into any in-depth analysis of their motivations.

For example, Deng Xiaoping was Hakka, one-third of the early Red Army was Hakka, and that the founding myth is that they were from the Yellow Valley (the cradle of Chinese civilisation), but fled the advancing Northern barbarians. I'll do a full piece analysis and expansion on this in a separate thread.

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Nikkei articles are pretty authoratative.

It's the equivalent of the Financial Times in London, or the Wall Street Journal in New York.

I've come across some of their other articles, and they do a fairly good job.
I hope there is but another similar report about this $10b investment but I can not find any.

Well, somehow I can not trust the anonymous exclusive source of a Japanese reporter in the Indian government on Bhutan/China matters. The story was not even syndicated. It does not add up. The source can easily disclose this to any India media and we will see a hailstorm of propaganda stories.

The media's Chinese stories are based on hearsay, maybe his source is Guowengui??? Somehow play up the secrecy helps them to sell subscriptions? The stories on Japan are run of the mill AP type. So there is a bias.
 

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I hope there is but another similar report about this $10b investment but I can not find any.

Well, somehow I can not trust the anonymous exclusive source of a Japanese reporter in the Indian government on Bhutan/China matters. The story was not even syndicated. It does not add up. The source can easily disclose this to any India media and we will see a hailstorm of propaganda stories.

The media's Chinese stories are based on hearsay, maybe his source is Guowengui??? Somehow play up the secrecy helps them to sell subscriptions? The stories on Japan are run of the mill AP type. So there is a bias.
I would disagree that Nikkei China stories are run of the mill AP types. I've seen quite a few articles which have a level of sophistication and depth that requires a lot of research and knowledge. Remember Nikkei is a financial magazine, so most of their stories will be straightforward reporting.

And does it really matter if this new report of a $10billion package is true or not?

Now it is in the media, China will be expected to own it. And remember, China is going to have to offer a package of some sort to Bhutan to wean it off Indian aid anyway. Plus $10billion is eminently affordable for China.
 

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Nikkei articles are pretty authoratative.

It's the equivalent of the Financial Times in London, or the Wall Street Journal in New York.

I've come across some of their other articles, and they do a fairly good job.

This one below is an example. It's all factually accurate, but it doesn't capture the full extent of Ye/Hakka influence and history, nor does it go into any in-depth analysis of their motivations.

For example, Deng Xiaoping was Hakka, one-third of the early Red Army was Hakka, and that the founding myth is that they were from the Yellow Valley (the cradle of Chinese civilisation), but fled the advancing Northern barbarians. I'll do a full piece analysis and expansion on this in a separate thread.

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Too much sensationalism and weak link and argument
To say Lee Kuan Yew is Hakka is misnommer His grandfather might be a Hakka man But he left his wife and child and went back to China very early on. And they never have any contact with him. His wife is a peranakan Chinese and brought up LKY grandfather alone . The family subsequently married into peranakan family. LKY grandmother , mother and his wife are all peranakan Chinese They even speak Malay and english at home. As politician of course LKY trotted out his Hakka heritage once and a while. but there is not much Hakka in him
 

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Too much sensationalism and weak link and argument
To say Lee Kuan Yew is Hakka is misnommer His grandfather might be a Hakka man But he left his wife and child and went back to China very early on. And they never have any contact with him. His wife is a peranakan Chinese and brought up LKY grandfather alone . The family subsequently married into peranakan family. They even speak Malay and english at home. As politician of course LKY trotted out his Hakka heritage
Nope. But I'll answer this is the separate analysis when I have some time.
 

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Too much sensationalism and weak link and argument
To say Lee Kuan Yew is Hakka is misnommer His grandfather might be a Hakka man But he left his wife and child and went back to China very early on. And they never have any contact with him. His wife is a peranakan Chinese and brought up LKY grandfather alone . The family subsequently married into peranakan family. LKY grandmother , mother and his wife are all peranakan Chinese They even speak Malay and english at home. As politician of course LKY trotted out his Hakka heritage once and a while. but there is not much Hakka in him

who are they? that's not important.

the important question is: who do they think they are?

Lee Teng-Hui thinks he is japanese;

LKY and his father thought they were "the best damn Victoians to the east of the Suez".
 

Hendrik_2000

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who are they? that's not important.

the important question is: who do they think they are?

Lee Teng-Hui thinks he is japanese;

LKY and his father thought they were "the best damn Victoians to the east of the Suez".
So what is your point? that they are westernized yet China follow in their foot step half a century latter by opening up to western idea of industrialization, improve people living standard, science and technology though not democrazy

It is ironic isn't it?. there is nothing wrong with absorbing the good side of western idea and discarding the bad side. It doesn't change who you are . There is nothing more Chinese than service to your people and on this account they excel exceedingly well though late in his life he succumbed to temptation of profiting from his job instead of service
 
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So what is your point? that they are westernized yet China follow in their foot step half a century latter by opening up to western idea of industrialization, improve people living standard, science and technology though not democrazy

It is ironic isn't it?. there is nothing wrong with absorbing the good side of western idea and discarding the bad side. It doesn't change who you are . There is nothing more Chinese than service to your people and on this account they excel exceedingly well though late in his life he succumbed to temptation of profiting from his job instead of service
No. His point is that Lee-Teng Hui and LKY have identity issues. For instance, why would LKY literally beg Malaysia to remain in their "confederation" when ethnic Chinese were suffering prosecution from Islamic fundamentalists? You don't really beg to stay with an oppressor. The irony is that many ethnic Chinese wept because of getting kicked out of Malaysia. LOL :D
 
Nikkei articles are pretty authoratative.

It's the equivalent of the Financial Times in London, or the Wall Street Journal in New York.

I've come across some of their other articles, and they do a fairly good job.

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so after how long time you would possibly say the article you posted
#19 AndrewS, Yesterday at 3:39 PM
China woos Bhutan with $10 billion in standoff with India

Beijing seen driving wedge in New Delhi-Thimphu alliance
YUJI KURONUMA, Nikkei staff writer

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NEW DELHI -- Locked in a two-month border standoff with India and tiny Bhutan in the Himalayas, China is offering its little neighbor $10 billion in economic assistance to soften its stance.

Sources say that since the offer, Bhutan has toned down its allegations that China is violating its territorial claims.

The development complicates Bhutan's relations with India, which blocked Chinese troops after Bhutan, -- a long-time security ally of India's -- notified New Delhi that the troops were attempting to construct a road in a part of the Doklam Plateau claimed by both China and Bhutan.

India and China have accused each other of violating the border, with troops from both countries in a face-off since June. Winning over Bhutan would lend more credence to their claims, and it appears Beijing's overture is having the desired effect. Speaking to Indian reporters earlier this month, a Chinese diplomat said that Bhutan clearly acknowledged to Beijing that the area where Indian troops entered is not part of Bhutan.

If the claim is correct, it would signal a weakening of ties between India and Bhutan.

Although a Bhutanese government official immediately issued a denial to Indian media, New Delhi remains unconvinced. A government source told the Nikkei early this month that China's $10 billion package -- which includes a grant, low-interest loans and direct investment -- is tempting Bhutan.

When External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj met with her Bhutanese counterpart, Damcho Dorji, on Aug. 11 on the sidelines of a regional meeting, she told Dorji not to be betrayed by China, asking further that Bhutan retain its alliance with India. Dorji, however, only said that he hoped the standoff would be resolved peacefully and amicably, refraining from any comment that would provoke China.

In June, Bhutan's foreign ministry blasted China, saying that the construction work violates an agreement between the two countries.

The Chinese government-backed tabloid Global Times later ran an editorial referencing Dorji's comment and stating that Bhutan clearly wants to maintain neutral in its criticism of India.

China is wooing Bhutan in order to validate its presence in Doklam. India sent troops only after Bhutan claimed that China had started construction work in Bhutanese territory. Beijing hopes Bhutan will relinquish its claim to the disputed area, thereby obviating the need for Indian troops, which would then be violating Chinese territory.

According to Indian government sources, China and India informally agreed to simultaneously reduce troop deployments in phases, aiming for a complete withdrawal between September and October, or at least by year-end.

Both Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping need to save face, hence the simultaneous draw down. But tensions remain, with Chinese and Indian soldiers throwing stones at each other in Kashmir.

According to an Indian government source, there are about 320 Indian and 500 Chinese troops in the area, with the numbers declining. But behind them stand 12,000 Indian soldiers and a 16,000-strong Chinese contingent, raising concerns that if shooting starts, it could quickly grow into a major conflict.
was bunk (if there had been no 'Chinese ten bil for Bhutan')?
EDIT an answer could be for example: one year
 
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