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Bhutan: Dangerous liaison
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vesicles
Colonel
Can you show us any solid proof for your assertion that China has agreed not to continue with the construction? Indeed, half of the Indian congress is asking the current Indian administration the same question. I don't think there is any agreement on the subject.
So the Indians withdrew troops without extracting any agreement from the Chinese about the construction, which has been the number one objective of the whole incident.
And please don't give us any of your speculations on whether the construction has stopped. This is a formal and serious dealing between two countries. What you need is legal document and written/signed agreement.
The Indians mobilized tens of thousands of troops and risked open war with another nuclear power. And in the end, they didn't even get any verbal/written agreement or legal document to show for it. And you call that a "win"?
I don't care if China has agreed to anything under the table. That's not what this is all about. It has been agreed by most that this whole mess has been about "face-saving". That means, in order for any side to declare victory, it has to be visible/public and legal progress. The only visible progress is that the Indians withdrew their troops. And the Indians has failed their #1 objective: secure an agreement from china about the construction.
LOL absolutely. You should have said. India can only lose against China. End of discussion. Period. What Indian moonshine are you drinking? Do all that without backing up anything and just run your mouth off. It's the only way some people understand.
Let's see when India actually could muster up the courage to go into a real fight without the bullshit; come fight me bro *all whilst backing away. LOL Indians are continuing to make themselves into an international joke. Let them cheer themselves on in their own forums with talks about successful LCA and Arjunks.
Keep feeding the russians with your worthless rupees and buy some su-57 quickly before you lose more su-30s.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
The road is essentially completed it only short of 200m Here is what igloo from Pakdef said with map too. judge it yourself. 200 m is nothing actually any engineering troop will finish it in 2 days at most
The road building on Doka La where the Indians crossed over the border is as good as already completed since it is only 100 meters away from border marked by mountain ridge. The next tasks would be to built bunkers, trench and fox-holes for the PLA troops to be stationed there.
Indians had done some favour for the Chinese as they had built some trench and lookout post on the Chinese side, which would now be used by PLA soldiers.
Note that the Chinese road is less than 200 meters from Indian road in Sikkim. If Chinese cross over through this road into Sikkim. then they can push all the way to cut off the Chicken neck and isolate Assam and rest of Indian territory.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
In which alternative facts universe has India ever been party to the dispute between China and Bhutan?
India has as much say in the dispute between China and Bhutan in Donglang as China does in the dispute between Pakistan and India in Kashmir.
Does this mean you would supporting Chinese troops in Kashmir if India started upgrading existing roads there?
And it's not like India isn't building and upgrading roads, air bases and fortifications on its side of the disputed boarder with China either.
What infantile hypocry and sheer wilful ignorance.
If you don't like the hard nosed realism here, do us all a favour and go back to laughing in ignorance in whichever hyper pro-India echo chamber you came from.
The sooner the PLAAF station some J-20's in the region the better
xclusive: Why Indian Air Force May Best Chinese Jets In An Air Battle Over Tibet
The lower density of air at high-altitude Tibetan bases prevents Chinese Air Force fighters such as the Su-27, J-11 or J-10 from taking off with a full complement of weapons and fuel. These aircraft would, therefore, enter a fight with the IAF at a severe disadvantage in the event of a conflict.
NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS
Indian Air Force fighter jets will be able to effectively tackle Chinese Air Force fighters over Tibet in the event of hostilities between the two countries. A new yet-to-be-released document, "The Dragon's Claws: Assessing China's PLAAF Today" makes the point that the IAF has significant operational advantages over the Chinese Air Force in operations in the Tibetan Autonomous Region which lies to the North of the Line of Actual Control between the two countries.
Written by Squadron Leader Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 fighter.pilot and produced by Vayu Aerospace, the document is the first comprehensive Indian assessment of the air power balance between India and China since the crisis in the Doklam plateau broke out last month.
According to Squadron Leader Joshi, "Terrain, Technology and Training, will assuredly give the IAF an edge over the PLAAF (People's Liberation Army Air Force) in Tibet and southern Xinjiang, counterbalancing the numerical superiority of the PLAAF, at least for some years to come."
The altitude of China's main airbases "along with the prevalent extreme climatic conditions seriously restrains the performance of aircraft, which reduces the effective payload and combat radius by an average of 50%." In other words, the lower density of air at high-altitude Tibetan bases prevents Chinese Air Force fighters such as the Su-27, J-11 or J-10 from taking off with a full complement of weapons and fuel. These aircraft would, therefore, enter a fight with the IAF at a severe disadvantage in the event of a conflict. The IAF, on the other hand, operates fighters in the Northeast from bases such as Tezpur, Kalaikunda, Chabua and Hasimara which are located near sea level elevations in the plains. This means
"the IAF has no such restrictions and will effectively undertake deep penetration and air superiority missions in the Tibetan Autonomous Region."
What's more, the Indian Air Force is thought to be a more nimble force which "focusses much more on experience in air combat and varied weapon delivery, backed by exposure at multinational exercises, to maintain a 'qualitative' edge over its foes." At the same time, both Air Forces are challenged by the mountainous terrain which makes detection of each other's aircraft difficult. In such a situation "terrain hugging fighters, masked by innumerable mountain valleys of the TAR (Tibetan Autonomous Region), will be a major factor for the both sides, delaying crucial early warning to the defenders."
What's clear though is that while the Indian Air Force can clearly match or better the Chinese Air Force in the event of a limited air-war, China's substantially larger ballistic missile forces makes the IAF's infrastructure distinctly vulnerable to attack. China also operates a host of relatively advanced surface-to-air missile systems such as the S-300, HQ-9 and HQ-12 "all of which pose a grave danger to the IAF although they are reliant on early detection for success."
In the long run however, China's rapidly expanding Air Force which is now in the process of inducting home-grown stealth fighters such as the J-20 will gain meaningful regional air superiority unless the Indian Air Force gets "an adequate number of fighter aircraft to simultaneously protect the western and north-eastern borders."
xclusive: Why Indian Air Force May Best Chinese Jets In An Air Battle Over Tibet
The lower density of air at high-altitude Tibetan bases prevents Chinese Air Force fighters such as the Su-27, J-11 or J-10 from taking off with a full complement of weapons and fuel. These aircraft would, therefore, enter a fight with the IAF at a severe disadvantage in the event of a conflict.
NEW DELHI:
HIGHLIGHTS
- IAF has significant operational advantage over Chinese in Tibet: Document
- Altitude of China's main airbases restrains performance of aircraft
- The Indian Air Force, however, has no such restrictions
Indian Air Force fighter jets will be able to effectively tackle Chinese Air Force fighters over Tibet in the event of hostilities between the two countries. A new yet-to-be-released document, "The Dragon's Claws: Assessing China's PLAAF Today" makes the point that the IAF has significant operational advantages over the Chinese Air Force in operations in the Tibetan Autonomous Region which lies to the North of the Line of Actual Control between the two countries.
Written by Squadron Leader Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force Mirage 2000 fighter.pilot and produced by Vayu Aerospace, the document is the first comprehensive Indian assessment of the air power balance between India and China since the crisis in the Doklam plateau broke out last month.
According to Squadron Leader Joshi, "Terrain, Technology and Training, will assuredly give the IAF an edge over the PLAAF (People's Liberation Army Air Force) in Tibet and southern Xinjiang, counterbalancing the numerical superiority of the PLAAF, at least for some years to come."
The altitude of China's main airbases "along with the prevalent extreme climatic conditions seriously restrains the performance of aircraft, which reduces the effective payload and combat radius by an average of 50%." In other words, the lower density of air at high-altitude Tibetan bases prevents Chinese Air Force fighters such as the Su-27, J-11 or J-10 from taking off with a full complement of weapons and fuel. These aircraft would, therefore, enter a fight with the IAF at a severe disadvantage in the event of a conflict. The IAF, on the other hand, operates fighters in the Northeast from bases such as Tezpur, Kalaikunda, Chabua and Hasimara which are located near sea level elevations in the plains. This means
"the IAF has no such restrictions and will effectively undertake deep penetration and air superiority missions in the Tibetan Autonomous Region."
What's more, the Indian Air Force is thought to be a more nimble force which "focusses much more on experience in air combat and varied weapon delivery, backed by exposure at multinational exercises, to maintain a 'qualitative' edge over its foes." At the same time, both Air Forces are challenged by the mountainous terrain which makes detection of each other's aircraft difficult. In such a situation "terrain hugging fighters, masked by innumerable mountain valleys of the TAR (Tibetan Autonomous Region), will be a major factor for the both sides, delaying crucial early warning to the defenders."
What's clear though is that while the Indian Air Force can clearly match or better the Chinese Air Force in the event of a limited air-war, China's substantially larger ballistic missile forces makes the IAF's infrastructure distinctly vulnerable to attack. China also operates a host of relatively advanced surface-to-air missile systems such as the S-300, HQ-9 and HQ-12 "all of which pose a grave danger to the IAF although they are reliant on early detection for success."
In the long run however, China's rapidly expanding Air Force which is now in the process of inducting home-grown stealth fighters such as the J-20 will gain meaningful regional air superiority unless the Indian Air Force gets "an adequate number of fighter aircraft to simultaneously protect the western and north-eastern borders."
Is that so? If I stopped working after 5:00pm, does that mean my company finished existence? What would you say if I come back to office tomorrow 8:00AM? How do you know I won't come back to office ever? Now replace days with months, replace individual company worker with the country in question, you will get the picture.
Withdrawn, who from where? China claimed Indian troops withdrawn from the Chinese claimed lines, there is no Indian official denial of that. That is all we know.
u mean the entire Indian world? Seriously, go through the major Western medias and tell us who cares, I will tell you, NONE.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Nothing but your typical Indian bluster and wishful thinking.
Chinese jets do not need to carry anything like a full weapons load for air dominance missions in the boarder areas.
For deep strike missions against targets deep in India, that would indeed be a problem, but not for air superiority over the boarder regions.
And even for strike missions, PLAAF jets could always take off with the desired weapons load and minimal fuel and top up from a tanker before heading into the combat zones.
Besides, Indian air bases within operating range of the boarder will get saturate attacked with cruise and maybe even ballistic missiles during the opening stages of any war. And any IAF planes coming close to the boarder will have to run the gauntlet of multiple layers of PLA SAMs and AAA.
In the future, if China really wanted to fight India, it can easily adapt the EMAL technology it is developing for its carriers for use on high altitude runways as a means of boosting the take-off load of its warplanes.