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IDonT

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akinkhoo said:
how can we about missile without taking into consideration their range. :)
here is my comical view:

Kongo would already be under fire before it manage to get in range and
the Sovremenny would have escape from battle after it lanuch all its missiles.
i don't believe either will be successful at killing each other.

it is like 1 person is carrying a shotgun and the other a sniper with 8 bullets.
if the 8 bullet is neutralized by aegis, the rifleman is deadmeat and will runoff
before the shotgunner get in range to pump him full of lead! :p

so the BVR ability of the Sovremenny is extremely important faction.
if the shotgunner get close to the sinper before he can see = dead sinper... :p

It is not that simple, in a Kongo vs Sovremenny scenario, both vessels need OTH targeting to take advantage of the ranges of their ASM. In this regard, the Sov, has an advantage (the Kongo does not has a hanger - however, it usually sails with an accompanying DDH).

Secondly, the OTH targeting helo needs to be closer to the Kongo, since its low radar cross section, lowers the effective range of its surface search radar. This fact, coupled with the long range of the SM2 = dead helo. We are back to our OTH targeting problem. I conclude that the engagement range is within the horizon.

The Sov design is a throw back to the Soviet Battle of the first Salvo strategy. It does not possess endurance. Once its Sunburn are fired, it's usefulness goes down signifantly. Here lies the superiority of the Kongo. It has longer staying power.
 

akinkhoo

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"It is not that simple"
yes it is; if you add a DDH on kongo's side, you should add a kilo on Sovremenny' side :p as i said the BVR ability of the Sovremenny is important, if it loses the range advantage it would be dead.

"coupled with the long range of the SM2 = dead helo"
don't you think that before the SM2 can fire, you need to be able to target the heli 1st? which has a smaller cross section, a heli or a ship? i am sure the heli be able to target the ship earlier and send the AshM will be on their way! :nono:

"It has longer staying power."
this is if it survive the attack... ;)

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i believe these 2 ship are indeed on par, the japanese still has a much more useful fleet. people just don't give the supporting ship enough credit...
 

IDonT

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akinkhoo said:
"It is not that simple"
yes it is; if you add a DDH on kongo's side, you should add a kilo on Sovremenny' side :p as i said the BVR ability of the Sovremenny is important, if it loses the range advantage it would be dead.

"coupled with the long range of the SM2 = dead helo"
don't you think that before the SM2 can fire, you need to be able to target the heli 1st? which has a smaller cross section, a heli or a ship? i am sure the heli be able to target the ship earlier and send the AshM will be on their way! :nono:

"It has longer staying power."
this is if it survive the attack... ;)

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i believe these 2 ship are indeed on par, the japanese still has a much more useful fleet. people just don't give the supporting ship enough credit...

1.) JMSDF also operates their own SSKs.
2.) SPY-1D on the Kongo has greater detection range than surface search radar of KA-31. The Kongos reduced radar signiture means that the KA-31 needs to go closer in order to see it on radar.
3.) 8 missiles vs Aegis+ SM2 + decoys. I'll take my chances with the Kongo.
 

MIGleader

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the japanese ssk force is small nothing compared to chinas. the sovremmeny has a 30n6ne radar that lets it fire at max range(200 km) without use of a helicopter.

but the sovremmeny really cannot compete with a kongo, especially if the ships are going to beef it out in the ocean. what the sov can do is stay out of the harpoons range.
 
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