Best asian navy

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
who do you think will have the best navy in asia by 2012

Japan: curently most strong good asw ok air defence and weak anti surface

Korea : good air defence and anti ship ok asw but few ships

China : fleet old but improveing ok air defence strong anti surface weak asw

india : have one old carrier and soome good destoryer may improve in future
 

Baibar of Jalat

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In the year 2012 who would be the best navy in asia? at current trends the Japanese seem to be favourites because the Japanese have taken the threat of chinese rise seriously. The potent example is the dispute over ocean terrority which is believed to contain important oil and gas deposits. Also japanese manufacture advanced technology that have dual purposes.

(in article on defence news highlights this but cannot seem to find it prob not looking hard enough but it is 4 am in england)

the chinese and indians up thier spending in the navy field then they can make ground. China is estimated to have 700 billion dollars worth of foriegn exchange reserves and india 120 billion they prob gonna have more later. But the indian technological development of hardware is lagging we see this in thier failure to develop indeginous weapons. the south koreas will only expand qualitative wise not quantative.

the chinese and indians in my opinion will expand qualative and quantative wise.
 

bd popeye

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Darth don't forget that by 2012 the IN will have 3 CV's....2 indigienous and 1 refit Russian.

It's going to be a close race. The S. Koreans will have 4 LPH(X) by then along with a much improved fleet. The JMSDF is strong now and will remain strong in the future. They have great ASW capablity.

PLAN??. They PLAN is up and comming and should have one CVBG operational by then. In 2012 I would rate the navies this way.

1. JMSDF
2. IN
3. PLAN
4. S.Korea
 
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Mr_C

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bdpopeye i know what u mean and understand how u made ur predictions. I am not going to rate any of the navies because i don't really believe too heavily on a "stronger military" just on the basis of equipment. When different militaries r roughly comparable in strength (numerical, technology, training), it is more important on how u use ur weapons which will be the determinate of victory. But i also acknowledge that better equipment and numerical advantage can help u out in a conflict, espeically in a Naval fight.

Anyway yeah the IN will have more CVs in teh future and Japan will continue its naval presence. But one thing i know is that China's industrial capacity far surpasses any other country in the world except for the USA. But this does not mean they r industrially weaker than the USA, infact they r pretty much abt the same and in the future possibly around 2020 it should surpass the USA. So basically what i am saying is that China and USA if needed can pump out more ships than anyone else in the world as long as they have the cash. Although as i have stated above that numbers does not necessarily convey an advantage, however numbers are a good deterrent which was employed by the British navy's strategy after Tralfagar.

And yeah i remember along time ago i sneaked into a lecture at ADFA and basically this naval captain who was giving the lecture said that "sometmes there are no such thing as the best ship. Sometimes u may get the newest and most state-of-the-art ship..... but it is full of bugs and not all things work properly. On the other hand u may get an old ship and no where near state-of-the-art....but all teh bugs have been worked out and functions without any problems and still gets the job done". He also mentioned about the crew but can't remember exactly what he said.

Anyway what do u think?
 

bd popeye

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And yeah i remember along time ago i sneaked into a lecture at ADFA and basically this naval captain who was giving the lecture said that "sometmes there are no such thing as the best ship. Sometimes u may get the newest and most state-of-the-art ship..... but it is full of bugs and not all things work properly. On the other hand u may get an old ship and no where near state-of-the-art....but all teh bugs have been worked out and functions without any problems and still gets the job done". He also mentioned about the crew but can't remember exactly what he said.

Anyway what do u think?

That Navy captian was 100% correct. It takes time to work out the bugs. But when you do you will have an efficent ship. To point to a new ship with bugs is the USS Ronald Reagan CVN-76. It was comissioned 2 and a half year ago and other than transiting from Norfolk to San Diego it still has made no other deployment. The ship is in advanced training and the crew is still learning how to operate the "state of the art" techno wizardary aboard her.

When I was on the USS John F Kennedy(the ship was only 4 years old) in '72 & '73 the new type of bomb elevators never did work right no matter what sort of modifications were done to them. Eventually they were removed and an older more reliable type was installed.

Another example is the Tarawa class LHA the USN started to comission over 25 years ago. It took years to work the bugs out. But the USN did and is incorprating the lessons learned in the next class of LHA's.

Just because it's "new" does not mean it will automatically work correctly. It takes time to learn how to operate all that technology properly..with success of course.
 

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
A navy can not just be judge on the base of equipment

Yes the IN wil have 3 carrier but how proficient will they be useing it !

also Korea ,Japan and to a less extend india relies on imported equipment so far all the jap ships are armed with american weapons

Plan on the other hand built their own , ( if they cant design it at lest they built it )

they can also out built the japs in a naval race Plus they also have the mmost power ful sub flaat in asia


PS in china all weapons are buillt for the defence of the motherlannd so I dont think they will send the plan to indian ocean
 

Gollevainen

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A navy can not just be judge on the base of equipment

Yes the IN wil have 3 carrier but how proficient will they be useing it !

Well they have a almoust forty year operational experience of carrier operations so i bet IN is the best carrier operator in the area...apart form USN...

also Korea ,Japan and to a less extend india relies on imported equipment so far all the jap ships are armed with american weapons

Plan on the other hand built their own , ( if they cant design it at lest they built it )

they can also out built the japs in a naval race Plus they also have the mmost power ful sub flaat in asia

So you are saying in the same time, that japanese vessels are fitted with Us weapons but PLAN ship are domestic build?? It doesen't make any sense...All japanese warships are domestic build, yeas having a american weapons...so what? Are you saying that chinese have no imported naval weapon systems?
And anyway what's the logic of that "at least we do it by ourselves..." ???? It doesen't affect your naval forces compat capapility in any ways...Almoust in all aspect the imported weapons in IN and JMSDF ships are superior to those "indegenious" weapon systems in PLAN service...so quite opposite to your claims, i would consider "imported" weaponsystems more of a plus than minus to the asian navies...

PS in china all weapons are buillt for the defence of the motherlannd so I dont think they will send the plan to indian ocean

sounds like our former left wing politics..."Neuvosto-ohjukset on rauhan ohjuksia" (...soviet ballistic missiles are missiles-of-peace....)

defending is a very complicated word...very often "defending" your homeland actually means attacking against another ones homeland...but thats politics and we do not like it, wont we?
 

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
Youu can not compare operating harriers to operating Mig-29mst

yes the IN have used the hermes design for MANY YEARS but not something on the size of baku

on the newest chinese destoryer alll missile and system are localy made on the jap Kongo they are imported form america

they chinese designed the Yj-62 the Japs use imported hapoon Big difference


impoorted equipment is a libity in war time EG in falkland war the argentines almost won but ran out of excoets . the ability of your ships are limited on what other s will sell you not what you want

PS the chines used the old soviet doctrine on naval defence please dont get into politics
 

Gollevainen

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Youu can not compare operating harriers to operating Mig-29mst

yes the IN have used the hermes design for MANY YEARS but not something on the size of baku

Yeas there is a difference, but i merely pointed it out as you obviosly doupted indians ability to operate the Gorgy...so i throw the ball to you; Why won't India be aple to operate the Gorshkov and upcoming ADS properly??

on the newest chinese destoryer alll missile and system are localy made on the jap Kongo they are imported form america

You mean in 052C, yeas (i never said it wouldn't have), perhaps (the HQ-9 is still big mystery) but what's the point? Kongo with Us Aegis system and SM-2 is still propaply superior to the chinese one...(there are no hard data on the chinese systems capapilityes, but i seriosly doupt that it would be even par with the US system...i could be wrong, tough i don't think so...)

they chinese designed the Yj-62 the Japs use imported hapoon Big difference

could be if we only would know the missiles abilityes...they may be superior to harpoons, but we must once again remember that missiles don't fight against each others...harpoon can still sink any PLAN vessel...the question should be asked; Can Chinese missiledefence systems onboard intercept harpoons and vice versa, can japanese systems onboard intercept YJ-62s ???
 

darth sidious

Banned Idiot
I never doubted the Indians ability to operate carriers But even the best navy can not get a carriwer fully operation withen mounth of delivery form ship yard It will take time for the indians to gwet used to the difference bewten the hermes and the Baku

PS please dont get into the china VS India topic
 
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