Battle of Red Cliff, the Movie

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
@bladerunner: Why illegal....? The economy is bad enough....buy or rent real goods, support your local economy.

@crobato: my opinion is that its good, if I were you I'd rent it first just incase our opinions dont meet eye to eye.

THe movies not in the local video shop besides this copy i dwnloaded good quality and took me 30mins, it would have taken me longer by going to some other place,

anyway i was wondering howcome in japanese movies and western films that depict japanese culture alot of reverence is placed on their swords,eg ' Kill Bill" that doesnt seem to come across in chinese movies. And was Japanese metallurgy better and let them come up with a better sword?
Anyway I find Japanese period films too slow and too much drama for my liking
 

kickars

Junior Member
Chinese really dont have a specific stand out symbol. thats why you can't really find such things in chinese movies.

Totally agree. Just like so many other Chinese cultures, such as kongfu and Chinese food, or even traditional Chinese clothing. There aren't any specific stand out symbols.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Totally agree. Just like so many other Chinese cultures, such as kongfu and Chinese food, or even traditional Chinese clothing. There aren't any specific stand out symbols.

how about that womens dress that is synomonous with Hong Kong Cheong Sam
or something like it
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
I ended up watching the movie twice to take it all in, Did that battle scene in the last part of Part one actually happen, or just extras added by film director.

Many Many yrs ago I taken to Chinese movies by school friends. I remember seeing scenes that involved all the Kung Fu stuff but also the characters had mystical powers that shot out from their hands which did the fighting for them like in the comp game MOrtal Kombat, do they still make films like that? or are they a bit cheesy
THere was also a cartoony thing film, the whole series were banned because they came out of communist china. It was about a boys adventure in ancient times who had this magic pencil, and anything he drew with it became real. I was totally enraptured for a 8-9yr old kid.
 

crobato

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THe movies not in the local video shop besides this copy i dwnloaded good quality and took me 30mins, it would have taken me longer by going to some other place,

anyway i was wondering howcome in japanese movies and western films that depict japanese culture alot of reverence is placed on their swords,eg ' Kill Bill" that doesnt seem to come across in chinese movies. And was Japanese metallurgy better and let them come up with a better sword?
Anyway I find Japanese period films too slow and too much drama for my liking

Despite myth, Japanese style swords aren't something you want to go into battle with. The reason for that is that they're extremely sharp, but with sharpness you get increased brittleness, and with brittleness, the sword is likely to break. You're in a big disadvantage against an opponent with a thicker sword using a softer steel for flexibility.

Also against someone with a reasonable amount of personal armor, a head on slashing attack, which is what curved swords are good for, isn't as good as a stabbing motion. The reason for this, a stab is a much quicker motion, whose strength can be amplified by running or stepping forward, and it all concentrates on the tip. The tip of a straight sword is supported by the entire length of the sword in a thrusting motion, and this is the action that is likely to break through armor. A thrust against armor isn't likely to break a sword, but a slash against armor can.

In most melee field battles, the preferred weapon is usually a pole arm anyway, like spear, halberd, axe or like in China, the Guandao and weapons like it. In feudal Japan, much of the fighting were actually done with the naginata, which resembles a halberd/guandao, basically a blade on top of a pole, rather than any form of sword. Physics favor a pole arm, because of its reach and length, and the fact that when you swing it around, the blade has a higher velocity and energy than the blade of a sword. In ancient China, the Ge, a form of halberd or dagger-axe, is the main weapon along with the Qiang (spear), and the Ge can be symbolic of the Qin army. Polearms is the equivalent of the modern rifle in the battlefield, swords would be like pistols.
 
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challenge

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watch the movie last december,my impression is very dissappointment.
problem is john woo himself, i watch all his movie the first thing I notice is direction tend to be over-dramatization,excessive hyper action .
I reccommend a korean film Musa.shoot entirely in western china.
 

T-U-P

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watched the first part, not the second part yet. however, i read reviews on newspapers while i was in china that the 2nd part is missing a lot of plots (or changes a lot of plots) to satisfy western audience. don't know if it's true or not.
 
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