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Rheinmetall wins $3 billion Australian armored vehicle competition
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Rheinmetall Boxer CRV on the live fire range with an in-service Army Australian Light Armoured Vehicle (ASLAV) at Mount Bundey Military training area, Northern Territory. (Commonwealth of Australia, Department of Defence)

MELBOURNE, Australia — Australia’s Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, Defence Minister Marise Payne and Minister for Defence Industry Christopher Pyne announced Wednesday that Rheinmetall Defence Australia has been selected to supply its Boxer Combat Reconnaissance Vehicle to the Australian Army.

A total of 211 vehicles will be acquired under the Australian Defence Force’s Project Land 400 Phase 2, valued at an estimated AU$5 billion (U.S. $3.3 billion). The first vehicle will be delivered in 2020.

The Boxer CRV is a version of the eight-wheel drive Boxer infantry fighting vehicle in service with Germany’s Bundeswehr, fitted with a two-person LANCE turret and Mauser Mk.30-2 30mm cannon.



Rheinmetall Defence Australia was competing against BAE Systems Australia, who had teamed with Patria of Finland to offer a vehicle based on Patria’s AMV, but with a BAE Systems Hägglunds CV9035 turret and ATK Bushmaster III 35mm gun and known as the AMV35.

The selection of Boxer comes after a 12-month long risk mitigation activity of the two vehicles undertaken by the Australian Defence Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group, which included blast survivability testing.

“Our first priority is to ensure our capability that it needs,” Payne said. “Choosing the right vehicle has been a very detailed process focused on the capability requirements of our Army. I’d like to commend defense and industry, who participated in this global tender process. Billions of dollars will be invested in this new capability and hundreds of jobs will be created. There will be many opportunities for small and medium enterprises around Australia to participate in the supply chain.”



Rheinmetall Defence Australia has said that it will establish a Military Vehicle Centre of Excellence (MILVEHCOE) in Ipswich, southeastern Queensland, to complete delivery of the Boxer CRV and to function as an engineering hub for future land vehicle programs. The first 25 vehicles will be completed in Germany and Australian workers will receive training at that time before completion is transferred to the MILVEHCOE in Queensland.

“For Rheinmetall this isn’t just about ensuring our soldiers have the most capable combat reconnaissance vehicle,” said Ben Hudson, Rheinmetall global head of vehicle systems. “We will utilize the Land 400 project as a catalyst that will see more than AU$250 million invested in technology development and a world class Military Vehicle Centre of Excellence in Queensland. This will allow us to establish a sovereign military vehicle industry in Australia that will underpin an enduring partnership with government to design, deliver, support and modernize this world-leading capability.”


The Boxer CRV will be delivered in CRV, ambulance, command & control, joint fires, surveillance, and repair and recovery configurations, with its modular design allowing role changes between vehicles if required. They will replace the existing Australian Light Armored Vehicle fleet and deliver a mounted reconnaissance capability to the Australian Army.



A future phase of the Land 400 program (Phase 3) will acquire a tracked infantry fighting vehicle and the two phases together, valued at AU$10 billion, represent the largest military vehicle recapitalization program in Australia’s history.
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The Boxer is a BEAST on 8 wheels!!
to put it in perspective the current ASLAV is 13.2 tonnes, 6.5 meters long, 2.6 meters wide and 2.7 meters tall. top speed about 64 mph recon versions come with a 25 x137mm Bushmaster
The Boxer is is about 24 tonnes empty 38 for combat, 7.9 meters long, almost 3 meters wide, 3.24 meters tall top speed also 64 mph turreted versions pack a 30x173mm auto cannon.
 

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Because when looking at the vast distances and poor infrastructure in Australia, what you really want is a vehicle 2-3x the weight of its predecessor and with far more restrictive transport options.

I mean, who cares about fuel consumption: it's not like the country
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to speak of, right?

But of course like just about everything else Australia buys, this isn't intended for the defence of Australia against an existential threat: it's intended to be operated in wars of convenience, in token 'show the flag' operations overseas, where minimising potential casualties (and therefore political backlash) is the overriding consideration.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

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The Biggest driver was survival. The LAV series currently in use has a wear out date in the early 2020's. Almost no LAV user has used Airdrop for them. LAV II series armor is rated for small arms protection as baseline with limited blast protection. basically uparmored humvee level of protection for a vehicle used as a IFV add on armor brings it up to 14.5mm all around with 30mm at the front.
Most users have had to adapt them by rebuilding to a higher weight and protection level removing amphibious capability.

Boxer has 14.5mm rated protection all around and 30mm frontal as base line with MRAP rated blast protection. The Vehicle is air transportable by C17 in Australian Air force service and would be much more friendly to LHD Landing craft then the M1 Abrams. and a longer range vs the LAV2
The Vehicle can also be configured for a wider range of mission sets, APC, CRV, Command post, Ambulance, logistics vehicle,Recovery, IFV, there is even work on a SPH and probably a mortar system which means that the Ausies can standardize it has a replacement for the the M113 which is also on the retirement list. yes it will demand more fuel, but if you want a Military that is not worried about fuel I suggest going back to horse infantry. the Boxer has a range of 1000km vs LAVII 660 km.
 

Lethe

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I am aware that the general trend is towards greater levels of protection. The platform's flexibility is to be commended and I am sure it is a fine product, what I question is whether it is the right product for Australian conditions. After all, it was designed in Germany and the Netherlands primarily for their armed forces, and those countries are on a totally different scale in terms of distances and level of supporting infrastructure.

Air mobility via C-17 doesn't impress me much, even if they can carry two (can they carry two?). We only have a handful of C-17s and there are a lot of places they can't operate from (or rather wouldn't operate from except in an emergency). The obvious use case for air mobility is time sensitive operations, or limited operations overseas where the LHDs aren't required. The former strikes me as unlikely: in what situation would the requirement be urgent enough to risk (multiple) $300m assets to rapidly deliver a handful of combat vehicles, yet low key enough that those handful of vehicles would actually make a difference? And the latter is just code for neo-colonial wars of convenience that I believe we shouldn't be involved in, and which in any case should play no role in determining the force structure, which should be about the defence of Australia from a peer or superior threat.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I am not touching the politics. But here are the other factors can it carry 2 by C17? Depending on version it can carry 2 possibly 3 if stripped down. 1 can be carried by A400m though Australia lacks those.
Next on amphious. First the LAV2 is not a great amphious vehcive. It's considered more riverine than ocean rated with a low sea state. Looking at the other Land 400 options none seemed amphious oriented of course reality is other than the US cancelled EFV and the PLA mini EFV few combat vehicles in the world are amphious like that. Most are short range low sea state vehicles. Generally if needed to be deployed Expeditionaly these days it would be deployed with a coalition who would likely include the US who normally brings enough landing craft and transport aircraft for everyone.

It's funny you complain about being designed for Germany and the Netherlands as most of the Australian Defence Force equipment is German, English, Fench or American in origin but manufactured in Australia.
 

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I'm not a fan of the M1 Abrams for largely the same reasons.

If the Boxer were being acquired as a single platform for all Australian armoured vehicles, the logistics benefits (again, not a concern for the types of neo-colonial activities Australia regularly engages in, but an overriding concern for the tasks we *should* be concerned about) would just about wipe out any other concerns. And with those sort of numbers we could probably obtain some reasonable economies of scale and even custom development paths.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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The Australian army has stated that they aim to retire the M113AS3 and AS4 by 2025. The Boxer MRAV although a smaller passenger capacity. Land 400 Phase 3 Mounted Close Combat Capability aims to replace those in the IFV and MSV. Land 400 Phase 2 selected the Boxer CRV with a Lance Turret to replace the LAV 2.
The Boxer is a very modular design allowing tailoring of units to fill mission needs. it seems very logical that the Boxer will fill the Phase 3 portion as well which is scheduled to start in the second half of this year.

Australian M1A1 Tanks and there accompanying M88 Hercules are slated for a upgrade package based on M1A2 and M88A3 in the Land 907 Phase 2
There was also a call for about 31 more Abrams tanks for the Australian army.
Although a heavy weight, when compared to other modern MBT there are few that actually sit much lighter and the price point is fairly comparable.
If they really are worried about the fuel system
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now.

On the lighter end is the Hawkei PMV or Project Land 121 Phase 4 – Protected Mobility Vehicle (Light) and the Bushmaster Protected Mobility Vehicle Land 116 both of which are MRAP rated with protection better then the LAV2 baseline. both C130 lift able with the Hawkei being CH47 sling loadable.
 
related to the Baxter deal (I know I'm a little bit late here):
Daniel Andrews blasts Turnbull after losing $5bn defence contract
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(the article is quite interesting, but just the link as the amount of military info is limited)
 
now noticed inside
Air Warfare Destroyer: Project Update Quarter ONE, 2018
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"Brisbane will be delivered to the Commonwealth in the middle of this year, with commissioning by the Royal Australian Navy scheduled for later this year."
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