Attitude to Sports In China

Propagandalass said:

China has done a lot of blunders earning its current incredibly negative image in general, also related to the dynamics of perception and environment. This includes sports, can't be helped

Everyone has stereotypes, a German comedian once said "every few minutes during a match, an Italian player gets severely injured or nearly killed. But at the end of the game all 11 are still there, how does the heck do they do that?"

As for the ethnic thing I agree you can't do it on an overly limited or overly large scale, but they do exist.

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are you talkin about blunders in football or blunders in general? if its blunders in general it has more to do with the media outside of China deliberately misinterpreting a lot of things. as for environment, i remember london used to have smogs that kill thousands every year. 64 is another good example, when such a complex issue is reduced to a man vs a row of tanks, you know something is wrong there.

but if its blunders in football i gotta agree...China has a long way to go in that

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In mentioned football, Mainland has a long way to go compared to Japan and SK, and for the major dominance of western Europe the gap is currently like heaven and earth... For Taiwan it will be even more difficult to find 11 able players on this small island (but probably easier if they are around? XD)

But China's overall negative image also accounts from blunders of political and historical nature, for instance the third Taiwan straight crisis that really didn't help in any way. This combined with cultural and environmental aspects of the rest of the Worlds perception and expression (aka propaganda XDDD), China bashing with huge bias whenever it shows as much of a sneeze in a wrong tone is the sad result.

Cultural difference can also affect success and image in sports, like I wouldn't attribute India's low Medal count for "the ethnic being weak/less capable" but rather that Indian culture has other focusses and priorities for the olympic discipline sports.

But not being a super-diplomated-biologist or historian I dare not put weight too many specifics. Only in propaganda

That being said, China does have high dominance in skill-reliant disciplines like ping-pong, diving, fencing, shooting, diving and gymnastic stuff. Accompagnied by Taiwan holding silver in ping-pong and having gold in tae kwon do!

But its surprising that China also got gold for weight lifting (Taiwan some medals too), though Asian stereotype would be "weaker in physical power" than other ethnics.

lol i thought someone would mention wieghtlifting, first of all its a sport that also require skillz. more importantly weight lifting is dvided by weight class.

being superior in sport does not equate with being a superior race...though i am a believer that certain races are superior in certain aspects. indians would joke about their gold medal "finally we won a gold medal and it is in a sport where you just stand there and do nothing".

say if india invests a lot of money into the olympics they'll win a lot of medals too, but not in the type of sports that China or the US dominates in.

more importantly weight lifting is dvided by weight class.

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I guess we have our power compacted in our size then ;D

Its also fun to see how little Taiwan sometimes gets silver right behind China's golds out of a whole World worth of possibilities for a 2nd place

pla101prc said:

other inferior sports like hockey

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Is that Ice Hockey or reg hockey? I enjoy watching Ice Hockey for the 'biff,' but apparently its the Weakest of all the major professional sports in the Americas?

Have you guys ever watched the World Grand Prix Racing. Most of the Traditional Counties are represented including India China, Malaysia and they race in identical cars with the same Mercedes engine.

One is racing for Country honours rather than the individual.. I like watching it to see how well China does. They've had some high points and they are certainly learning about team management and how to prep a race car.

bladerunner said:

Is that Ice Hockey or reg hockey? I enjoy watching Ice Hockey for the 'biff,' but apparently its the Weakest of all the major professional sports in the Americas?

Have you guys ever watched the World Grand Prix Racing. Most of the Traditional Counties are represented including India China, Malaysia and they race in identical cars with the same Mercedes engine.

One is racing for Country honours rather than the individual.. I like watching it to see how well China does. They've had some high points and they are certainly learning about team management and how to prep a race car.

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in Canada ice hockey is regular hockey lol. just love it when you are watching this fight, and all the sudden a hockey game broke out, the good ole days when tie domi use to kick everyone's ass...literally.

Now about this soccer business, soccer is really popular among the younger generations in China, you can see lots of teenagers having an afternoon match in fields, courts and even in the carpark lots in China. Though they haven't been in much international spotlight, they still enjoy the sport regardless if they're country is well known for it or not. China soccer team isn't to bad in personal view, for the first half of soccer matches China does pretty well with a sufficiently good defense, but they start to loose it on the second half. Cause but the lack of Stamina compared to other nations, it was quoted by their previous national coach, the one that coach them when they got in the the FIFA world cup.
Another sport that is overlooked as China strong fields is weightlifting, they got large amounts of medals from all categories in weightlifting yet hardly anyone recognizes this as their strong field.

bd popeye said:

Actually India won three medals total. One Gold and two Bronze.



I agree that the medal total for India is rather low.

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oops typo was meant to be only one olympic gold medal. but thanks for that anyway

HKSDU said:

Now about this soccer business, soccer is really popular among the younger generations in China, you can see lots of teenagers having an afternoon match in fields, courts and even in the carpark lots in China. Though they haven't been in much international spotlight, they still enjoy the sport regardless if they're country is well known for it or not. China soccer team isn't to bad in personal view, for the first half of soccer matches China does pretty well with a sufficiently good defense, but they start to loose it on the second half. Cause but the lack of Stamina compared to other nations, it was quoted by their previous national coach, the one that coach them when they got in the the FIFA world cup.
Another sport that is overlooked as China strong fields is weightlifting, they got large amounts of medals from all categories in weightlifting yet hardly anyone recognizes this as their strong field.


oops typo was meant to be only one Olympic gold medal. but thanks for that anyway

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In a lot of the developing countries such as Africa and S. America one often see the youth kicking a soccer ball around. For a lot of them they soccer as a way in breaking away from poverty.

AS for weight lifting it is often viewed as a tainted sports, because of the amount of weightlifters that have been caught cheating. But I enjoy watching the sport at OLympic level, with all the psychological battle going on.
Anyway its quite surprising that cycling get the same comdemnation for the amount of positive drug use its participants return.

bladerunner said:

As Asians migrate to sports mad NZ. Australia, they have encountered difficulties in gaining acceptance by the resident population. On sports talkback radio programns it has been suggested that Asians would find it easier to assimilate and gain acceptance if they played more sport or even made the countries national teams.
Unfortunately this would be a long time coming, my wife a school teacher has taught in schools sited in areas with a high affluent Asian population,eg. Westlake Boys and Girls ,Rangitoto College( directed to a few of the younger forum members who indicated they lived in Akld NZ and went to these schools) to name a few, and has noted the lack of participation in sports by people of a Asian background.

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That is soo true. Espicially how rugby is not exaclty a sport that asian people excel at.
I myself go to Westlake D) and one of my Chinese friends (who can't speak proper english sadly) does rugby in one of the school's teams and has gained a lot of respect from his peers.
Respect is one thing, but acceptance is completely different, as he can't speak proper english (or at least has a strange accent) therefore he doesn't have that many friends...

Most asians here at least participate in the sports they feel most comfortable in, such as badminton, table tennis, tennis.. but there is a growing trend to try out in football, basketball.

The west dominates the world in a way, so therefore what they do people would consider "cool", therefore people would associate western people's physical looks and their activities (i.e.: sports) as quite fashionable.
I think that if a transition ever occurs to the East, I think chinese, indian sports would become more popular in the far future, if they do indeed start to dominate, espicially the media.

As for football, I heard one of my friends mention that China drew with Germany in a game recently. But it's a shame China isn't that good at it *sigh*

IMO, if they want to excel in a popular western sport they should aim for basketball. We all know about Yao Ming, and I think China should "invest" in some equally tall people (or slightly less) but more skilled (because people say yao ming is a bit slow in his games sometimes).
It's a bit strange though, because lots of westerners consider Chinese people to be short....

Bltizo said:

That is soo true. Espicially how rugby is not exaclty a sport that asian people excel at.
I myself go to Westlake D) and one of my Chinese friends (who can't speak proper english sadly) does rugby in one of the school's teams and has gained a lot of respect from his peers.
Respect is one thing, but acceptance is completely different, as he can't speak proper english (or at least has a strange accent) therefore he doesn't have that many friends...

Most asians here at least participate in the sports they feel most comfortable in, such as badminton, table tennis, tennis.. but there is a growing trend to try out in football, basketball.

The west dominates the world in a way, so therefore what they do people would consider "cool", therefore people would associate western people's physical looks and their activities (i.e.: sports) as quite fashionable.
I think that if a transition ever occurs to the East, I think chinese, indian sports would become more popular in the far future, if they do indeed start to dominate, espicially the media.

As for football, I heard one of my friends mention that China drew with Germany in a game recently. But it's a shame China isn't that good at it *sigh*

IMO, if they want to excel in a popular western sport they should aim for basketball. We all know about Yao Ming, and I think China should "invest" in some equally tall people (or slightly less) but more skilled (because people say yao ming is a bit slow in his games sometimes).
It's a bit strange though, because lots of westerners consider Chinese people to be short....

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Most Chinese that migrated were looking for money and better living standards, most from Guangdong, Guangxi, Hong Kong, Macau all are Southern Part of China speak Cantonese. Southern China wasn't as built up and conditions weren't as good as Northern and Eastern China back then. Large population of Chinese speakers are Southern Area of China, on average are shorter then Northen and Eastern Chinese people, and Westerners. Westerners have been living with Southern Chinese people for long time, and have this present remembrance of Chinese people being short cause of Southern Chinese people migrating. Northern and Eastern Chinese people are average fairly tall and built, comparable to Westerners. Basically native Cantonese speakers from China are typically shorter. It isn't until only recently have their been in influx of Northern and Eastern Chinese people migrating for different reasons now. Being education, one child policy, etc...

Despite this migration Western people still have this impression of Chinese being short regardless, even migrating Chinese people are much taller now then before as explained. Its pretty sad, I'm considered tall for Southern Chinese person at 1.74m, I notice it when I'm at Guangzhou or Hong Kong. But when staying at Beijing then Shanghai for my overseas study most locals, (non-migrants) are much taller then me (not yao ming tall ;P). So Chinese people aren't actually short depends on which province you look at. If I'm not mistaken the tallest male in the world is Chinese just recently.

About basketball. You mean:
Yao Ming (Rockets)
Yi Jianlian (Nets)
Sun Yue (Lakers)

From 12 players representing China in Olympics 3/12 were in the NBA.

Lets compare it to say Australia a well developed funded country for basketball.

Only 1/12 were in the NBA, and he was Andrew Bogut (Bucks).

Scary thought China is also about to own the Cavs, which has Lebron James ~.`